The Pushback against Leftism

nullzero · 28-08-2022 11:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119534935#Comment_119534935

What's your obsession with having a go at me?

I haven't once said that my opinions are fact yet you keep pushing that narrative.

I'm living rent free in your head it would seem.

Overheal · 28-08-2022 11:32PM

I'm living rent free in your head it would seem.

QED, mirror

Sh1thousery from Overheal? Fan me gently while I come to terms with that. If there's a liberal bandwagon rolling through town you're sure to be hanging off the back of it.

Is this your next, next approach, to feign being attacked after issuing personal attacks in response to questions that were germane and on-topic to the thread?

Overheal · 28-08-2022 11:41PM

[nvm that user was banned]

Overheal · 28-08-2022 11:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535332#Comment_119535332

Its the pushback against leftism, Tony. Getting banned is an important initiation into the gang.

29-08-2022 12:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119523409#Comment_119523409

Actually it is fairly difficult to get an involuntary admission under the act.

Even in the case where AGS get involved more often than not the medical examination results in immediate release.

Fandymo · 29-08-2022 12:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535385#Comment_119535385

As someone who has worked in the field and has attended multiple (must be over a hundred) MHC tribunals, it is not that difficult to involuntarily admit and keep someone who has had a psychotic break.

Overheal · 29-08-2022 12:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535401#Comment_119535401

My relative had some experience with the FL Baker act. It didn't have that much teeth either in our experience. 2 to 3 releases in short order because a person in an episode can fake/present lucidity for examination and then resume being cuckoobananas by having a jog out in the middle of traffic in a bath gown hours later.

xxxxxxl · 29-08-2022 01:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535461#Comment_119535461

Yeah it's sad really had experience too. Issue is they need to speak to those around them yes people can fake but only for so long. So if you actually get them in wheels start to come off pretty fast. My experience is once the game is up it's like a light switch.

Overheal · 29-08-2022 01:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535482#Comment_119535482

Yeah, for a few minimum hours, then they calm down and realize if they can just present/mask long enough on the next screening, they get out. Puts their caregivers in the unenviable position of having to perhaps determine what is a lie, but they are held to standards of reasonable doubt, usually in the patients favor.

xxxxxxl · 29-08-2022 01:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535493#Comment_119535493

Yeah, I know for some families it's like living with a wild animal tiptoeing around not to set them off. Not good for the family or the person in question. The amount of stress it can cause. Say you go to bed thinking everything is fine to be woken up with loud music or something and their off on one. You nearly need a counselor yourself at the end. I really feel for people that have gone through it I do.

Not trying to use Animal as loaded language just can't think of a better description have experience.

Overheal · 29-08-2022 01:18AM

I mean sometimes when you have an episode you almost exhibit primal behavior, so that's not even inaccurate to remark upon. In the limited experience I had w the relative, that was the case anyway.

xxxxxxl · 29-08-2022 01:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535510#Comment_119535510

Yeah. Not to drag the topic off to much. But In Ireland for example it seems to be fill the person full of pills send them home hope the family can figure it out. We really need to get a handle of what treatment people need. Some may not need to be in a place for months just until the medication starts to work. In for 2-3 weeks at least that gives the family a bit of respite. No one really wants to put someone in somewhere long term. I really feel the family is the afterthought.

Sorry just had to let that out. Wont harp on.

y0ssar1an22 · 29-08-2022 01:33AM

left leaning ideology is so pernicious, a pushback was always inevitable from the public.

media and education influence have prob deferred that by like 20 years for whatever reason.

they rightly push back against the right. i welcome our new socialist graduates...more opportunity for me to make money cos they are too lazy

AllForIt · 29-08-2022 02:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119531109#Comment_119531109

Just ICYMI

https://twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/1563955546260180992

If you are going to make your arguments via twitter posts you will find anyone can play that lame game.

And the idea that we how have transgender vloggers branding lesbians 'hompphobes' goes to show the degree of the poisonous influence the New Left has had on gay society and gay rights activism in general.

Is this the Katy you're on about:

https://youtu.be/rZajtz261Fo?t=130

She goes on here about 'Section 28' which had noting to do with transgenderism. I suppose this is what you could call 'appropriating victim-hood'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28#:~:text=Section%2028%20or%20Clause%2028,2003%20in%20England%20and%20Wales

The law is named after Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988, which added Section 2A to the Local Government Act 1986.[2] Enacted on 24 May 1988, the amendment stated that a local authority "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".[3]

Speaking of how the New Left have hijacked gay rights, a great example of that is when they talk about LGBTQI+ 'allies'.

How weird. Who on earth would call themselves an "LGBTQI+ ally", unless of course the reality is they are one of the New Leftists who have hijacked my demographic. Those people are going to get the boot and get it good in time.

y0ssar1an22 · 29-08-2022 03:00AM

the mad thing is, no one really knows what the left wants. reading back on my post above, its all very general.

can a few people on the left say what specific polices they support? let the debate flow from there.

Overheal · 29-08-2022 03:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535570#Comment_119535570

Your rebuttal, is someone's opinion about a counterfactual. Alright...

xxxxxxl · 29-08-2022 03:47AM

Anyone able to explain where the term Allies came from in this issue. It reminds me of vampires. You have vampires doing vampire work. They then take familiars those that help the vampire when they are not available. They are not part of the vampire race just useful throw away things. If the familiar goes against the vampire it's killed feasted upon. Allies seems a weird word to use. Those that say there are no monoliths there seems to be with groups using website kits and alike. I still don't understand how T got into LGB. They are not gay. Would be like a fishing club letting in a fox hunter makes no sense.

For me it's akin to goths joining the tqi+ thing to be the outsider again. most people have no problem with LGB. war won. I would be B back in the day but have a wife now.

edit ofc not calling LGB vampires... it's a thought experiment.

lumphammer2 · 29-08-2022 04:18AM

I do not think most people identify as left or right or whatever. Most major parties in Ireland are centre left or centre right but we think of them as FF, FG, or SF and not as left or right.

As for far right or far left ... both have historically been very racist, misogynist, homophobic and sectarian. In Ireland I am sick of seeing these in your face vocal Christians who try and force their own self styled creeds onto one if you let them. Iona Inst and all that shower. They preach prolife regarding yabortion but have no problems at all supporting wars and capital punishment. They also give out about the LGBT and spout ridiculous Covid 19 conspiracies but have nothing to offer when it comes to solving our problems in this country. They are mainly ex journos setting up political splinter parties with fancy anti corruption titles. Corruption in their definition is left vague for obvious reasons. Left or right ... they are mostly far right ... these splinter groups are dangerous.

29-08-2022 06:17AM

Respect for the individual that doesn't require everyone to conform to an ideal predefined by the ideology. That is the essence of the left. This leads to solidarity between disperate groups and the belief that everyone should have equal opportunity to achieve their potential and a program of initiatives design to create this equal opportunity.

AndrewJRenko · 29-08-2022 12:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119534479#Comment_119534479

There’s plenty more we can do. We can put some numbers on it, to show how your concerns are very much the exception to the rule.

AndrewJRenko · 29-08-2022 12:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535570#Comment_119535570

Fair enough so

https://twitter.com/dspidermanh/status/1563963872469520385?s=21&t=xJW-TY7WW8n2y1T6zR2KRQ

Sudden Valley · 29-08-2022 01:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535572#Comment_119535572

Im not particularly a leftist but I think it is good to define the Left as more than what trans activists want as that is what the thread seems to be stuck on- like the pushback seems mostly to be against New Trans Ideologies

They generally seem to support

immigration
asylum seekers
gay rights
multiple gender identities
social housing
unions
wealth tax
climate change policies/green tax
special rights for minorities
abortion rights
neutrality in wars

They generally are against

religion in schools
income inequality
privatisation of public utilities energy, trains

I'd say people sit on different sides on a lot of these issues which makes the idea that is a general pushback against leftism bollix.

Annasopra · 29-08-2022 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537045#Comment_119537045

Yep.

A tiny transphobic protest group dwarfed by tens of thousands of LGBTQ+ and supporters/allies. Many many lesbians, gay men and bisexual are perfectly fine with T being included. Groups like this only represent a small fringe of hateful extremists with a transphobic hate agenda. The vast majority of LGB people want nothing to do with these hatemongers.

Tony EH · 29-08-2022 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537191#Comment_119537191

Mostly correct, but I'd challenge the idea that most left leaning people are "supportive" of things like multiple gender identities or a green tax, despite what those on the right would like to suggest. Most left leaning people that I know wouldn't be in favour of a green tax and would view it as an opportunistic attempt to make bank on the whole climate change issue and they, frankly, don't give a toss about the whole trans/gender thing. Like myself they're left wondering why it's such an issue for some people in the first place, when the likelihood of ever meeting a transsexual is slim to none and it'll never even have the remotest bearing on their lives in any way.

I'd also counter the idea that they are in favour of "special rights for minorities" and say that they would simply be in favour of human rights, which would be a fairly broad umbrella of laws.

deirdremf · 29-08-2022 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119534419#Comment_119534419

What is a female?

That's a fairly easy question to answer.

A female, in the case of a human, is is an animal with two X chromosomes.

deirdremf · 29-08-2022 08:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535461#Comment_119535461

You do realise that this is an Irish website? Whoever FLBaker is or was, he she or it has nothing to do with Ireland.

29-08-2022 08:42PM

Transgenderism is insignificant in my life - but the right has decided to declare them public enemy number one (an easy other to rally against) - which is unacceptable to me and why I am passionate in their defense.