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The Pushback against Leftism

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    More QAnon guff. There's no point bothering with this.

    No point for you as I know know you have no idea what your talking about.

    What you know about is QAnon, and I've no idea wtf that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Not really sure I'd class socialism as 'far' left in the same way I'd class fascism as far right. Was thinking more along the lines of communism, but maybe I'm being a bit rigid.

    in any case 5 or 6 out of 160-odd is not going to trouble the establishment.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Suspicious post. I fell like I'm on a hit list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Zak Flaps


    "Let's leave it there"...."there's no point bothering with this".....Can you actually answer any questions at all?



  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tavistok is a classic example of underfunding a service to the point where it cannot perform its function and then using this disfunction as an excuse to disband the service. A tragedy for the growing client base it used to serve.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Of course.

    You called my posts nonsense and then refused to substantiate this lazy derision. Why should I answer you when you don't bother answering me. Anything I do say is dismissed as coming from the Guardian anyway by people pushing incel Q-grade nonsense.

    Answer my question with evidence first. Then I'll answer yours.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Quite possibly the scummiest post anywhere on Boards. And that’s saying something. Have you posters of Josef Mengele on your bedroom walls??



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,472 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @Absolute Zero do not post in this thread again



  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tavistok has helped thousands of people. It became a cooky cutter service due to underfunding and so people didn't get the service they deserved and some people got inappropriate treatment as a consequence

    Most did not. This is no victory for those who oppose transgender rights - it's a tragedy for those who will be denied appropriate treatment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    What absolute nonsense. These are the people at the forefront of demanding 'gender affirming care' AKA, never question if the person presenting at your clinic is trans or suffering from some other mental illness or shoved into their care by a munchie parent.

    These people are criminals and when faced with the exposure of the abuses perpetrated at the Tavistock clinic, the HSE has decided to blithely ignore them and keep feeding Irish kids into that meat grinder, no differently IMO to they way the state blithely fed kids into the magdalene laundries ignoring the abuses that took place there. Siobhán Ní Bhriain, the HSE’s national lead for integrated care in the HSE will no doubt be facing a tribunal of inquiry at some point in the decade to come when everybody currently ignoring this disgrace is wringing their hands and demanding to know 'how was the state allowed to do this to children'.



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  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sorry but your talking bollox. Even the review on which the recent decision was based blamed under resourcing for failures of care. The recommendation was to provide more treatment services in regional centers to provide more treatment to the ever increasing presentations of gender dimorphism.

    Your trans hating bile can just go **** off

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    It was giving kids as young as 10 puberty blockers. Absolute scumbag behaviour.

    Imagine a little boy at 10 said ‘when I grow up I want to be a fireman’, you wouldn’t take them out of school, and only teach them what they need to be a firemen. But if they say they’re a girl, you force puberty blockers on them, stop them developing etc. using experimental drugs with unknown side effects (as per the independent doctor who recommended the closure). It’s grotesque. And so is anyone who supports it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    You hardly need to reach for hyperbole when all you have to do is google Dr. John Money, the father of gender theory who coined the phrase “gender is just a social construct". A man that was a constant apologist for pedophilia and mastrubated 5 month old babies 'for science'.

    One example of Dr. Money’s research is the story of a child who was raised as a girl (even though he was born a male) under his instruction. Dr. Money theorized that “gender is just a social construct,” and if the boy’s parents raised him as a girl, he would grow up and be a normal, mentally healthy girl. Spoiler, the kid killed himself. That's the poster boy for this nonsense! Mengele would have been well impressed by this guy given that the above is only the tip of the iceberg of depravity that his 'research' consisted of.



  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Interesting - but not at all relevant to the roughly 1% of the population who have always presented as gender dymorphic. Those people are the ones who present themselves for treatment by centers such as Tavistock. Children are well aware that they are different to their birth gender at ages from 3 upwards. Thats is the reality and bigoted denial of this eternal reality is simply prejudice which helps no one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,074 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Imagine withholding medical treatment from children, just because it seems a bit icky to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Ya kids should be allowed do what they want...chop off an arm, breast implants, tattoos, implant horns, whatever, these old fuddy duddies get icky over loads of stuff...move over pops, is what I say, the patriarchy is dead!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Most did not. This is no victory for those who oppose transgender rights - it's a tragedy for those who will be denied appropriate treatment.

    It is a stunning victory by the rational genuinely concerned activists that exposed Gender Ideology which was the root cause of Tavistock's' practices and ultimately it's downfall. Nothing to do with 'under-funding'. It's a victory against Gender Ideology, noone is saying it's a victory against Trans rights.

    Gender Ideology comes from what someone in another thread called the 'New Left', which is why this topic is relevant here.

    Many gay activists were involved in taking down Tavistock, because they saw that effeminate boys and masculine girls, we're being treated in Tavistock, when they weren't Trans at all. You really think these gay activists are far right nutters?

    You see why I say to some people don't know what they're talking about in relation to this issue.

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  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Please read the report before spounting bullshit untruths about something you clearly know little about. Anti-trans activists are a real danger to trans-identifying people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Well if you are going to give me homework you should provide me with a link to the reading material.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would you withhold plastic surgery from a 10 year old because he wanted a nose like a dragon?

    There's medical treatment, and then there's medical treatment. The downsides of transgender procedures are well known (even if they're downplayed in the media), but people like yourself are so gung-ho to encourage it, that you're willing to ignore all the long-term negatives.

    Did you watch the "what is a woman" documentary from the right wingers in the US? take away all the political BS from the US, and just focus on the people they spoke to. The Trans people who underwent surgeries, or medical treatment that you describe, and the host of problems that comes with such treatments.

    I genuinely do wonder whether you care about children. Adults can do whatever they like to themselves. I really don't give a ****, as long as they keep it to themselves. But we're talking about pushing these stupidities on to children.

    I really do think you should take a few minutes in front of the mirror, consider everything you know about Trans procedures, and honestly consider whether this should be applied to children. If you still consider them to be just "medical procedures" after all that, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

    And no, Andrew, this is not an invitation to a discussion. We've tried this many times, and I know you'll deflect, deflect, and deflect some more. But you really should consider the crusade you're advocating, and the potential damage it's going to cause to children. To children. Again, adults can do whatever they like, but these procedures or medicines should not be extended to children.

    It's disgraceful.. and you know it.



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  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I know a number of trans identifying people who are in their late teens. I can tell you two things with absolute certainty

    -none of them are been coercied into gender reassignment therapy.

    -none of them will "grow out of" their gender dymorphism.


    I will ask those trans haters who have entered a feeding frenzy here, can you ever imagine any situation where you could be persuaded that you are of the wrong gender and need to change your gender identity. If you cannot then I ask you to see how ridiculous it is to project this fear onto someone else who you know nothing about personally.


    All I see here is fearful haters hating because that is all they are capable of. Been on the left is all about accepting the personal decisions that an individual makes - not trying to impose conformity to an imagined normality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    First we had the gay marriage referendum - which was not needed,as the government could have simply legislated with no need for a referendum. By turning it into a referendum issue, the government had a perfect smokescreen behind which it was able to bring in all sorts of cuts in funding and services at the same time as they were virtue signalling on the gay issue.

    I sometimes think that the trans business is also being pushed as a sort of virtue signalling smokescreen, to distract us from other more serious matters like housing, cost of living generally, and the overall failure of the current economic model.

    But after Covid, Ukraine etc, more and more people are beginning to ask the question: what the hell is actually going on here? And it seems to me the first major issue being questioned is the Trans agenda as applied to children and teenagers, particularly with regard to drug treatments and surgery for minors.

    I don't think many of us have issues with responsible adults taking drugs or having surgery to address their gender dysphoria - it's when this treatment is being given to minors that problems arise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    -none of them will "grow out of" their gender dymorphism.

    But some of them may change their minds - there have already been cases. What do you say to someone who has had their penis and balls removed, only to discover that they don't like being a "woman", because among other things they don't fit in or maybe they aren't accepted by their target sex. Would you like to have it on your conscience that such a person had their life destroyed because you encouraged them at an age when they were too immature to make an informed decision?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,074 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What do you say to the vast majority who won’t change their mind? Something like “we decided to withhold medical treatment from you because it seems a bit icky to us. Sorry that your teenage years were agonisingly painful for you, but it made me feel better, and that’s the important thing.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,828 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Or maybe these children should be supported emotionally during their natural development and directed appropriately when they're adults?

    The notion that being against puberty blockers = hates all trans people is reductive and about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,074 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Would you like someone to explain to you the difference between trans people and wanting to look like a dragon? There’s downsides and risks to ALL medical treatments. There’s downsides to taking a paracetamol tablet. Withholding medical treatment is cruel and is ruining the chances for a vaguely normal childhood for trans people. The disgrace here is the HSEs failure to provide any service for trans kids and terrible services for trans adults here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,074 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,828 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There are so many false equivalences in this post that the casual reader would be lead to assume it is parody.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,074 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You didn’t seem concerned about the false equivalence of trans people and wanting to look like a dragon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,828 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Because it's obviously too ridiculous to be appropriated at face value. But by all means deflect.

    Glazers Out!



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