The Pushback against Leftism

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304603#Comment_119304603

Except in the case of NGO's/Politicians pushing the Migration narrative, we are paying for them through our taxes. So it is having an impact on our lives.

But nice try at deflection.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304620#Comment_119304620

I think the massive expansion of higher education has helped immensely as well. It enables young people to question dogma and experience a melting pot of ideas instead of being stuck in the same environment their whole lives.

Historically, people had a stake in the system so there was an incentive to vote conservative. Modern right wing greed and grifting have put paid to that, however.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304644#Comment_119304644

Yeah but then you get the usual bollocks of 'durrr open border immigration policy' which is exactly that - nonsense but it makes for a good sound bite.

Then you'll have people using horrific crimes to justify their own hatred by pointing out what this immigrant did, and then in other threads try to pick through a court case which a white person was found guilty of and try to suggest that the verdict was wrong.

As I said. People shouting at clouds. Don't like immigrants? Vote in an anti-immigrant party and give them that mandate. If they don't get any seats... well then you'll know your answer on that.

Worth another reminder that boards is a place the fringe of society can go to spout their ill-informed bile because there are others in this cyberspace that agree with them, when fact of the matter is their opinion is so far removed from reality and they'd know that if they stepped outside into the real world for once in their lives.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304674#Comment_119304674

"Worth another reminder that boards is a place the fringe of society can go to spout their ill-informed bile because there are others in this cyberspace that agree with them, when fact of the matter is their opinion is so far removed from reality and they'd know that if they stepped outside into the real world for once in their lives."

I'd agree with that. There are only a handful of people I have met in real life who genuinely believe that a man can be a woman (and vice versa).

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304717#Comment_119304717

And yet there is no political will to remove the Gender Recognition Act seven years after it was brought in.

Think you might have to try again, because that was a piss poor attempt.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301210#Comment_119301210

"Leftism" and "leftists" as you define it is a label defined by the reactionary right to brand an other. Socially progressive is not necessarily left and left is not necessarily social progressive

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304812#Comment_119304812

This convenient tactic to say "...there's nothing really going on; it's all in our imaginations really" - just doesn't work. It's become boringly predictable, too.

It's not even an argument; it's more a case of wishing the question away and blaming "right-wing" forces for inventing it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304806#Comment_119304806

Not yet.

Most people were willing to play along at first. It was easier to deny biology and let it go for fear of being labelled some sort of hateful bigot.

But now "certain people" are labelling everyone a hateful bigot for innocuous, genuine questions when it comes to gender identity so the fear is dissipating and regular moderate people who were ambivalent are becoming less likely to remain quiet about the negative side of gender identity.

But I don't expect you to agree Faugheen. It's ok.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304650#Comment_119304650

lol I worked in Irish third level education, you'd find more questioning of dogma in a Pakistani Madras.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304947#Comment_119304947

No no, there never will be a political will to remove it, because Ireland in the grand scheme of things is a progressive country and has moved past the politics of cranks who are stuck in the stone ages.

As I said, shouting at the clouds about something that has zero impact on your life.

When I was a youth my father and mother were both closet racists, throw away comments such as "I hate paki's" the usual sort of thing.

I had a girlfriend who was indian and they loved her because she was really nice, normal and ordinary.

I have never heard my parents speak another racist comment since.

Exposure to real people of difference is the real anecdote to petty bigotry.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305009#Comment_119305009

You spend an awful lot of time shouting for someone who bangs on about others shouting at clouds.

And the legal status of gender recognition does impact people's lives, and not just the lives of the person identifying.

There's been multiple threads explaining why. But don't worry about it.

There's as much chance of dragging a civilised debate out of you than there is of you convincing me that a biological man should legally be treated as a biological woman.

Bobblehats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305047#Comment_119305047

Sure checks out.

For most; that effect is exactly the opposite you ever consider that? When your people in charge have failed to protect indeed on the contrary then a certain “last line” may kick in. Some of us still have our natural instincts, we’re not being taken for any of this

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304674#Comment_119304674

Christ if you think Boards is bad...let me introduce you to the mad cousin in the basement.

Twitter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305047#Comment_119305047

Good point. It also works the other way. If you are exposed to shrieking TRAs calling you a fascist for holding a belief that men and women are different and not interchangeable by virtue of belief, it's will push right minded people the opposite way.

These TRAs and far left twats are harming their own cause

Bobblehats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305210#Comment_119305210

Imagine that well look if my parents spoke like that I’d have introduced them to nobody; least of all myself cos I’d have been long gone.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305266#Comment_119305266

Really those people you imagine aren't out there. Trans people are mostly low profile, advocates aren't in your face unless you get in their face. Its a bit of fantasy outrage.

Here's a simple question - have you ever met a trans person personally, and if so where they in your face ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305282#Comment_119305282

Yes I have, and mostly no.

There were a couple who were extremely obnoxious and insistent that their gender was the only topic of conversation,but for the most part the majority of my interactions with Trans people have been absolutely unremarkable.

My issue isn't with Trans people. It with the people who insist that anything other than wholesale acceptance that it's a fact that a biological man can be a woman (and vice versa) is a form of bigotry.

These people do nothing apart from do damage to the people they pretend to protect.

If you believe that these type of advocates don't exist, you are absolutely wrong.

Overheal

Did I just hear someone refer to the Republic of Ireland as having the most tolerant people on Earth? lol

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304603#Comment_119304603

Actually has this thread ever been on topic? Seems like just another excuse for that cloud shouting brigade to repeat their greatest hits on topics that there are already specific threads available to do so.

Aside from a few examples were public figures have spoken out in a very targeted and narrow manner when specific situations have occurred, there is no real evidence of there being any sizeable 'pushback against leftism'.

Bobblehats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305391#Comment_119305391

I know! Beyond tolerant, lol unless..

😩 ah foiled again only a mean to an ultimate intolerance; in the worlds eyes that’s the whole issue I guess try to go the whole hog and you only end up coming full circle.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305414#Comment_119305414

I love the double standard.. as if your own farts don't smell.

God forbid you take any responsibility in veering the thread off topic with your own contributions. Many of those topics that repeatedly come up, do so as claims by posters like yourself who make claims as to the opinions of others.

There is plenty of evidence of a pushback against leftism. The PC movement has been immobilized. The modern woke movement is drawing far more criticism that ever before. And people are starting to publicly question the Trans debate. All topics/movements that were championed by leftist groups, and are seeing growing resistance. It's not substantial yet, but there is a pushback.. as with everything like this, momentum needs to be built before it has serious effect on what was established before.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305470#Comment_119305470

It still begs the question where you're holding up as being great examples of tolerance..

All nations have problems with tribalism, racism, elitism, etc. Honestly, after living abroad, I'd consider Ireland to be a reasonably tolerant place. Far better than most of our neighbours, and outside of Europe most countries would be far worse.

Bobblehats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305470#Comment_119305470

What was the climate was yours “at war” at the time? .. have you taken that elsewhere probably best not tis fierce tame; here in comparison probably the least you’ll encounter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305391#Comment_119305391

A bold claim indeed.

Where do you believe has the most tolerant people in the world?

Bobblehats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305524#Comment_119305524

My two cents, as we can afford to say nowadays?

..the people for whom that question has never been put to it is a case of how willing you are to try answer; that can only lessen it ultimately and when enough damage is done it is those architects then can kick back and gloat.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305481#Comment_119305481

Seems to me that you're grasping at straws there, just seeing what you want to see and hoping it is the start of something bigger.

Irish society has swung incredibly liberal socially in the last two decades and even if there is some understandable resistance to it going much further there isn't any sign of the wider public wanting to swing back. From my perspective there isn't too much further anyone is even asking for it to go right now.

Thankfully very few Irish people fall into the right wing culture war issues like they do in the US - usually it is very much situational NIMBYism. There hardcore hateful group is pretty small.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304812#Comment_119304812

The twin problems with the far-left are identity politics and intersectionalism.

Identity politics is about considering people in group identity rather than as individuals. As such, we hear about the black community, the LGBT community, women etc. It divides people into their own sets of interests and treats each black person, for example, as part of a "community", rather than having their own individual perspective.

Intersectionalism is even worse:

Intersectionality is the acknowledgement that everyone has their own unique experiences of discrimination and oppression and we must consider everything and anything that can marginalise people – gender, race, class, sexual orientation, physical ability.

Both of these features of far-left ideology have infected everything socially and culturally. By associating people with a "group identity with their own unique experiences of discrimination and oppression" rather than as individuals, it explains why homosexuals like me - who are critical of elements within the so-called LGBT community - are cast out of the group as homophobic.

We see the same kind of issues with multiculturalism, women's rights, trans rights, LGBT rights, black community rights, and every other group. In each case, anyone outside the group (or even inside it) who is even remotely critical is cast out as the heretic and labelled with an -ism or -phobia; to socially "other" the person to ensure the group identity remains as protected from criticism as possible.

Far better to consider people as individuals rather than the eternally divisive politics of group versus group versus group.

It has gotten so absurd that Asian LGBT people in the West are starting to form their own group identity with its associated oppression; claiming that they are discriminated against because they are not white.

There is no end to this kind of grouping up - pitting group against group.

So the problem with modern day far-left politics is identity politics, intersectionalism, and an anti-scientific perspective (men/women/trans).

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304480#Comment_119304480

Where in that politician's statement does it say they shouldn't be in the country or that the country or his party should change its policy related to immigration?

It is a very targeted statement regarding a very specific situation. Taking this as some sort of evidence about 'pushback against leftism' is just seeing what you want to see and ignoring all context.

Bobblehats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305621#Comment_119305621

But this “hardcore hate group” is being granted ever more free reign, you say we’re far gone as can get but they can never stop knocking it’s not in their nature, each new generation that’s why they’re supposed to be drip-fed. You put up a dam up this progress will still filter through, so who’s to stem the flow now. Am I talking to a wall here myself?