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Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Ah jays BA. Your link here cites a shinner complaining the city depends too much on private builds and the article cites the demolition of old estates and tenant purchase resulting in there being less stock. So your ham acting in gloating over any rise in homelessness is off target and your claim SF is responsible, despite FF/FG having more seats and FG in government, is truly and embarrassingly debunked. Safe home now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Five years in DCC.

    The link confirms DCC was let with 1300 less units in 2019 than in 2014.

    Incorrect on "debunked".

    You are trying to blame a government that was even formed for a couple of years during the period so try again on that one.

    Plus if you knew anything about politics, at a local level FF and FG worked as totally different parties as always. You would have been better trying to throw labour under the bus as well when I gave you that option but you didn't even realise it was a FG/Labour government from 2014-2016

    In the Northern everything is supposed to be DUP fault, in Ireland it is FF and FG. Recurring theme here with Sinn Fein. Always someone else's fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Not sure why you responded twice to the same post??

    Maybe the issues with boards.

    Also in regards to the accusation about homeless number. 🤷

    Just because I rightly called people out on gloating on homeless number this is the best response?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Who dafuq said ‘everything is the DUPs fault’?

    Come on, back something up ffs



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They played a part, no doubt, but it is simplistic to say they are responsible for, or to blame for it.

    It’s almost like you don’t understand that there were other factors involved, and that a change of government, whomever they are, will not magically make houses appear, at the price you want to buy/rent. I appreciate that it suits your narrative to blame all on the government parties, but you have to at least consider the other causes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You have no idea what I want.

    So what is it you think the government(any government ) is responsible for when it come to housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    So a government only in a few years are held to a lower standard than a DCC in a few years, were FF/FG combined had more seats but you claim SF were in charge. Also the other day you said the council was powerless. At least you conceded the less housing was absolutely due to demolishing and sales to tenants. Not sure why you pretended it had anything to do with SF.

    In the North now with more made up claims. Ironically, currently it is the DUP.

    I read your link that made you look foolish and responded to that.

    It's awful how you are delighting in high homeless numbers.

    You refuse to acknowledge FF and FG run DCC and its worse :) 😃

    Not a great day for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭batman75


    It's hard to make a call on SF because they have no form by virtue of never having been in Government. That being said since the state pretty much abandoned building houses for its people then it's been a failure ever since. Plus there is so much money to be made from the housing crisis that a narrowing of demand vis a vis supply is not in the interest of those with money or who seek to accumulate more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Its clear FF/FG are okay with the crisis getting worse once there's money to be made privately.

    All any new government need do is move away from FF/FG policies and towards building social and affordable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Tinter Box


    Going back to original post. Answer would appear to be no , given current status in Northern Ireland.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/concern-as-northern-irelands-social-housing-waiting-list-could-take-50-years-to-clear-41932440.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭costacorta


    Spin Fein are like all their Twitter and boards followers all mouth and no substance. Magic money trees 🌲



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭moceri


    The whole system is broken.

    I would reckon only about half of tenancies are registered.. Of these, much of the rent is under reported and a cash top-up paid to landlords. There is no real penalty for Landlords who break the rules. RTB is powerless to sanction or remedy breaches of the regulations.

    Landlords are refusing HAP.

    Proper registration of all Properties linked to Eircodes on a central Database linked to Revenue for property tax should either be owner occupied or rented (with the landlord identifiable)

    Vacant house / site (for which planning is granted) tax.

    Building regs. need to be changed to allow smaller apartment sizes for single people (to get on the property ladder).

    Cheap modular housing, with a expected life of 20 years needs to be a priority. It was done after WW2 ; 150,000 in the UK 1946/7. We have a better choice of building materials in 2022.

    Our current housing Minister is a disaster. As regards other TD landlords, (with up to 17 rental properties), their only interest is to keep the market tight...drive up rents and unrestricted immigration to keep the property and rental market well stoked.

    The electorate is being led by the nose.

    Post edited by moceri on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You will get told you can’t hold Sinn Fein accountable for doing nothing for 24 years in the North

    Like DCC it wasn’t their fault

    ”finger pointing politics” I call it and Sinn Fein and supporters are famous for it


    1300 less units, disgraceful 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

    For a person that accuses everyone of deflection, usually for no reason, are doing an excellent example of what defection actually is on this thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You seem to be taking the “big bad landlord” approach

    Large companies running rental properties wil resolve a lot of the problem you mention plus the amount of smaller landlord is shrinking and will continue. So unregistered properties etc is not the huge issue you think it is, but people complaining about companies buying rentals is a big issue and very short sighted


    No we don’t need to build temporary houses. Waste of money and resources. With timber frame houses the building time is massively reduced and the houses will last longer. Plus we only have so many construction workers so why waste time on temporary houses which will just end up with socail issues long term.

    Stop the mindless blocking of properties for political gain and we will get the issue sorted quicker with long term properties

    You are entitled to your opinion on the housing minister. He will be judged at the end of his term

    Post edited by brokenangel on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Does anyone have the number and detail on the 'plans' that have been made to fix housing in the last decade or more?

    Which 'plan' was the most successful?

    I.E. Which elements worked or looked like having an effect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 kayfabe


    The answer is obvious. They are already disenfranchised and have more than likely largely made their minds up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    No, SF have no idea how to fix the housing issue in Ireland.

    Irish charities are just as bad as investment companies buying up streets of housing eg: Tuath Housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So organisations trying to house people in genuine need are as bad as organisations hoovering up housing for profit?

    You might need to adjust the moral compass a bit there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    What’s the difference between an investment company buying an estate with120 houses and a Charity buying an estate with 120 houses.

    Either way the houses would be lived in and either way it effects a vast majority of the population who are unable to purchase these properties.Investment Companies or Charities should purchase their own land and seek their own planning permission and should be distanced from private developments where homeowners can buy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hmmm, what's the difference? I'd say 'priorities' is the difference myself. Those seeking to genuinely help people would be the last people I'd be blaming tbh. But that maybe just me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    That’s where we disagree.

    Housing Charities are just as much to blame as investment companies pushing private buyers out of the market.

    People like to target the investment funds and in one paper highlighted one investment fund owning something like 3900 properties as the biggest landlord in the state and paint them as a bad guy, I think it was Ires Reit.

    No mention of Tuath Housing who actually own 8500 properties with unlimited funds with government cheque books.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, just NO.

    There is zero comparisons to be made with people in the market for profit and a charity trying to help people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You didn't have a problem when a Sinn Fein TD didn't pay rent for a number of years to a charity or didn't bother paying it back to any housing charity when she got her TD wages.


    People are complaining about companies buying houses for rental market, people are complaining about the local county council buying houses for social housing, why do you think people are not complaining about charities buying homes?

    The poster above is correct that charities buying housing is increasing demand on the market place.

    I again refer back to previous point, supply is how to resolve the market. Political parties blocking and slowing down project is the main issue in the market at the moment. Something which you want to ignore.

    DCC ending up in a situation with a huge population growth in the capital and after 5 year with 1300 less houses than they started with in 2014 is also a huge issue. In the middle of a housing crisis, that is a disgrace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    How is taking full street or whole estates helping people who want to purchase housing?

    How are charities not adding to the housing crisis just like Investment companies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,572 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You made a comment equating charities to investment funds.

    My view is that charities helping people are way down the list to be criticised for the crisis in housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,825 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...so organisations whos priorities are based in maximizing profits over the short term, are just as bad as charities, now thats interesting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    Charities are causing just as much damage to the housing crisis as Investment firms.

    both are mass buying streets and estates limiting the number of houses available for purchase.

    The same goes for Investment firms and Charities and the Council outbidding private buyers driving up price.

    the difference is that investment firms, Charities and the Councils have open chequebooks compared to the Ftb or private buyer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,825 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    I did.



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