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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The regime seems desperate to blame Ukraine for Dugina's murder (despite the fact she was virtually unknown to people in Ukraine or in the West). One wonders just what they are trying to cover up here and what 'really' happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    If the FSB claims Ukraine did it that pretty much means the FSB did it on the order of Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Field east


    irrespective of who did it, ifPutin says that The Ukr gov was behind it then all hell could break loose. Eg going ape sh-t and landing a pletira of missiles on those cities that Ru have not controlled for starters. All Putin needs is an excuse - wheather true or not and he then decides on the appropriate response. So if I was Ukr I would be doubling my defenceefforts al, over the place and have those bunker doors permantly open for the next few weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Very possible, as someone said earlier "Who will rid me of this priest", its also possible that an element inside FSB did it in defiance of Putin.


    Those 2 contradicting possibilities are indicative of the Russia Putin has created. Which lie or set of liars do you believe the least!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,306 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Have you not been following this? Putin doesn't need an excuse to do anything. He just does it and maybe afterwards tries to justify it with tall tales and nonsense



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Also the speed at which they reached this conclusion. It reminds me of an old comedy film set in Ireland starring David Nivan. Nivans character tried to burn down the mansion he inherited for the insurance. Only to be frustrated by the arrival of the fire brigade. The fire chief informed him that they sometimes arrived at a fire before it even started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Maybe or maybe they did it without his order, what it means for sure is that Ukraine didn't do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Commander-in-chief of Ukrainian Armed Forces Zaluzhny says about 9000 Ukrainian soldiers killed since the start of the war

    i smell BS

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,927 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Why do you think that. They are fighting a defensive war. They are looking after there wounded soldiers better than the Russian army. Traditionally the wounded to deaths ratio was 3-1. In reason conflicts the US has got that to 15+-1.

    Assuming a 5-1 figures that would be 45k.wounded to 9 k deaths. The Russian army deaths are magnified by there poor handling of wounded. There information that there deaths to wounded is 1-1. 35 k of each giving a 70 k total

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Irish embassy has reopened in Kyiv. A number of Western countries, including the UK, United States, France, Spain and Italy have also re-established a diplomatic presence in Kyiv.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes it's an utterly implausible figure. The battle for Mariupol, the fierce fighting in Donbass for months on end,not to mention numerous confirmed hits on military barracks in the early days of the war where troops were housed. Number must be at least 2-3 times higher, if not more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yeah, Putin really does not need to kill the daughter of a man who supports his war and ideology in Moscow to justify further atrocities in Ukraine to the Russian people. Makes no sense. The whole thing looks very fishy but really none of us have a clue what the story is behind it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    False flag maybe? Encourage the Russian people to actually declare it a war rather than a "Special Operation"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    The FSB seem to know, in fact they seem to have solved the crime before it happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I was reading that most people in Ukraine had never even heard of Daria Dugina. Whatever this is, it is something purely internal to Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Starting to look more and more that it was internal Russian criminality that killed her, thread




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Would have been considerably less damaging to Putin's inner circle to get someone to bomb Red Square and plant some Ukraine Flags onto it. Her death is not much use as a false flag.

    They're not particularly good at false flag events. Just prior to the invasion they were setting up events where Ukraine had apparently shelled some schools in Donbas. It was pretty obviously an attempt to create pretext for invasion...but they never really followed up on that message. They either sensed that no-one was buying thier story, or that they were just too feckless in running such a scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Reading that thread, it seems quite possible she was murdered by the FSB. She sounded radical and highly opinionated and was using her platform constantly...perhaps the regime viewed her as some sort of 'threat' to Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Twitter's saying Dugin had a heart attack and is in hospital. Hopefully he doesn't leave it other than feet first.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    I wonder if the heart attack was chemically induced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like the Antonivsky bridge was hammered again this time while 9 Russian trucks full of ammunition and weapons were sitting waiting to cross



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Realising Karma might be a thing can do that to you.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I've been following this guy Willy beating cancer for a while now. He comes across as measured and eager for the wider context and truth of things in this war and as an ex military guy he'd have some insight there too. He is far more sympathetic on a personal level towards the Ukrainian cause, but that hasn't stopped him from asking questions. Things like how some of the foreign fighters experiences, incompetent and wasteful Ukrainian commanders and the like are being ignored or glossed over.

    Anyway his latest vid explains how he was trying to get acreddited by the Russian authorities to report from inside the Donbas to get that wider picture and truth from that side(even though it would almost certainly mean the Ukrainians would never let him back in) and surprise, surprise they turned him down. I'm shocked I tells ya....

    Anyway what he said as part of this as almost an aside jumped out for me:


    "Russia's taking a lot of territory lately". Yet others in the media are usually saying they're stalled for over a month and even ready to pull back from some areas?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have Russia claimed they are taking 'a lot of territory lately'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    This is good thread on the assassination

    There are pics of what the FSB are saying the Ukrainian agent who did it but people are pointing out that her ID card looks fake.

    That shirt would have broken her neck 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,925 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Head doesnt match the shoulders, ffs, reminds me of the famous picture of the nazi flag and Sims games, remarkable sleuthing by the FSB altogether. The fact that something so blatantly bullshít has come from a state agency just defies belief, is anyone at all buying it barring the most fanatical simpletons?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ...

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    the chances of a retaliatory Nuke strike on Kiev or a nuclear power plant have risen with the car bomb

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not that I know of, but to be fair I'm not watching Russian TV and can't speak it and Russian bots on twitter seem to be either Indians or Africans jumping for joy against the "west" so...

    One Russian I know who is supportive of Russia(mostly from loyalty because it's Russia, deeper questions are not asked or answered) did say to me a couple of weeks ago when I mentioned the apparent stalling that according to him/them they bumped into some heavliy fortified Ukrainian positions which was costly in men and materiel so are standing off and hitting them with artilliery and after they're reduced to rubble moving in the troops and tanks and its moving slowly, but they are moving forward.

    Who's to say at this stage. Outside of the morality and casualties all wars when they boil down to it are propaganda and economics. Ukraine has certainly won the former and let's face it Russia is helping them with their idiotic near childish attempts at propaganda and their bumbling push on Kyiv and the atrocities they left in their wake among other things like no independent journos from the West.

    Economically Russia's now screwed as far as access to Western economies and investment, but still flogging their oil and gas raking in billlions(Turkey's now openly buying their oil, no doubt at some discount) and with the Ukrainian land they've already stolen they're sitting on even more natural resources. They may as well go all in at this stage. Putin could have called for some sort of BS "humanitarian" ceasefire along the front to take the international pressure off and the pressure from his own troops and consolidate, but he hasn't. And it's not as if he'd be against reneging on any deal when it turned to his advantage to do so. This suggests to me he reckons he doesn't need to.

    Ukraine on the other hand is in a far more tenous position economically. It's pretty much entirely reliant on outside help. Outside help that is in turn reliant on public opinion in democratic nations, public opinion that could shift. EG in places like Germany come winter. The US are most likely to keep piling on as they get to bleed out their enemy from the sidelines and at a relative bargain as far as their overall defence budget goes, but they're also dealing and in a sabre rattling contest with China over Taiwan. If push comes to shove and it's an either or, I'd bet they'd pivot to the Taiwanese. Again because of basic economics and the Pacific is much more in their and their allies "back yard" in many ways. They know Putin won't move beyond the borders of Ukraine and attack a NATO country. That his ambitions and capabilities are confined to what he's already stolen and maybe the Black sea coast.

    In the long term Russia will lose. Beligerent armies and nations who don't offer anything better than the previous status quo pretty much always do. This is what eejits like Hitler who wanted to ape the Roman empire always fail to understand; Outside of her military might Rome spread and stayed put most of all because after the battles were over, bodies were buried and the dust settled Rome offered the potential of a better life, a better economy and more cash in the pocket of those they conquered and invited those they conquered into their world as equal citizens. That's why I have always held that for Putin the EU is far more dangerous an entity than NATO with all their tanks and missiles. The differences between a town in Mother Russia and anywhere across the EU border are stark. That's why he and those who follow him hate something like the EU.

    My 3 cents anyway.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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