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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Da Witch of Da West


    No, it is not the same, because the scale and proximity are different.

    if to follow your logic, people from Poland, Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Slovakia and Romania should run for their lives all the way to Ireland, cause they are "right beside the war zone".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Don't put words in my mouth.

    If three places in County Dublin got attacked, County Dublin got attacked. It doesn't need to be destroyed for it to have been attacked. If rockets hit Skerries and Lusk and a cruise missile hits Tyrrelstown, then even if everything else is untouched, anyone living in Dublin (one of the 26 counties of Ireland, same as Ukraine has 27 regions) will legitimately be entitled to say "my county is being attacked, I'm getting my family the eff out of Dodge".

    I have also never said "the majority was attacked". I have said attacks were occurring in the areas other posters were declaring as safe areas, and I linked to reports of those attacks. And they were occurring in south and central Ukraine, not just Donbas. You later linked attacks occurring much further west than I'd be reading about.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    You might think "a few rocket attacks" is an absolutely acceptable risk for your loved ones. I wouldn't.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    So the Mayor who they trust tells them it's safe to return.

    Will numbers drop? Time will tell, but I would say we will Keep getting more untill someone dies in a tent, the government is changed or they cut the benefits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    I'm guessing he wants to see a return to normality. Obviously not 100% percent, but to thrive they must pick up the pieces and carry on. I am not in any way diminishing their plight. I think however everyone on this thread would agree that Ukraine has suffered a terrible/ unforgivable act of terrorism against them. At some point the fragments of their life must be re assembled as much as possible. Best of luck to them. But surely this signifies that no more refugees need to leave.

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  • Posts: 577 ✭✭✭ Kaiden Sticky Manic


    The Ukrainians here have no problem going back to Ukraine for holidays once they have the social welfare benefits and free accommodation sorted here first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I didn't nor do I need to put words in your mouth.

    As stated from the start of this - from when you started attempted to correct posts saying that the majority of Ukraine is untouched, that you were wrong. The majority of Ukraine is untouched. I don't care about Dublin, Lusk or Timbuktu. The majority of Ukraine is untouched. No point in going back and forth.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    haha.. you're deflecting. There remains huge areas of Ukraine which haven't been attacked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    Before any Nay sayers get in here. Wasn't Kiev the epicentre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    And it will be interesting to see if that happens.

    As it stands, and at risk of repeating myself, we currently have 1.7+% of the Ukrainian Refugees in Europe. That number rises when we only include EU countries. If many of them listen to him and start returning, then obviously it will go up even higher. There are currently less than 3 million of them in Europe so while we have done our part, it wasn't necessary to take in as many as we have and with us having one of the worst, if not the worst accommodation crisis in all of the EU.

    So it should be very apparent that we should now stop taking them in, as the numbers are falling. All we would be doing from now on is creating a worse mess for ourselves when it isn't necessary and won't actually be achieving anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    Fully agree. Based on what the Mayor of Kiev has said. if it was up to me I would not accept Anymore refugees from Ukraine. But as history has showed us our lot are slow on the uptake.



  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I actually vomited in my mouth earlier while driving past the student accommodation that was given over to Ukrainians here. Modern duplexes with a town centre location, within a stones throw of the Institute of Technology. A load of Ukrainian cars parked outside them.

    As if ever in a month of Sundays, if war started in Ireland...Would Ukraine rehouse us in that way and displace their own citizens. We literally have pie on our faces. What backstabbing traitors our government are to us.

    We should have had tents in the most rural backwater of Ireland to provide refuge for the Ukrainians who needed the most help and at that a cap on numbers. This has been going on for months and I am still perplexed and dumbstruck at this farce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,851 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    100000%

    Government should have invested big time in modular homes to deal partially with the ongoing demand…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    Tauren the Mayor of Kiev has recalled his citizens. Your response please?

    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    They seem to not get the head around how big the place is. It's like cork gets bombed and people in Belfast leg it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So Kyiv is saying it's safe time to turn off the directive. Was only supposed to be a temporary measure. They seem to want the people back to help rebuild and alike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    It's even a lot bigger than that. This may help.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    oh ofc just trying to give a scale some may understand. People get stuck on the size on a map. The UK is 3.5 times larger than Ireland for example.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭maninasia


    As I said the politicians threw the students (young people) under the bus.

    Brutal and you will get all types of middle class 'educated' apologists who think they are ' good people' for it but invariably they aren't the ones looking for somewhere to live.

    HSE is desparately trying to set up new Direct provision centers to make room for Ukranians, shoving the newly arrived refugees all over northside communities in Dublin. They just tried to pull a swift one setup one overnight in Finglas for 222 single men who are conpletely unvetted. Community has ejected them already back to Citiwest and rightfully so.


    Let them setup in D4, Terenure, Dundrum and Sandymount!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Nothing brings a community together like blow-ins 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    Netherlands experiencing problems accommodating the numbers they have too.

    Absolute madness.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Brutal and you will get all types of middle class 'educated' apologists who think they are ' good people' for it but invariably they aren't the ones looking for somewhere to live.

    It's hardly exclusive to the middle class. Posters on boards have some really outdated and romantic notions of what the working class is. They're just as likely to involved in this nonsense as the middle class, or our upper classes.

    Also, the middle class consists of the children of middle class parents... who are just as likely to be looking for somewhere to live, and considering how much the middle is squeezed in this country, aren't likely to have much support from their parents in finding such a place. My parents are classed as middle class, but when it came to us going though college, we all went locally, we all held part-time jobs, etc. Being middle class doesn't mean that you're loaded.. just that you're reasonably secure/stable. I'm middle class because of my parents, that's it... but I'll still be judged/measured as middle class. It's an unfair system, and completely outdated.

    Posters really should move away from this class nonsense in Ireland. The availability of education and decline of discrimination has flattened the classes for the most part, except on the extreme lower ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    And it's making international papers to show that it is causing problems, with the controversy from protests gaining public attention.

    We on the other hand, have our national papers almost celebrating on behalf of the owners for being awarded massive contracts. Not quite a cause célèbre.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At what point will there be a policy change from the government? I read 50 Ukrainians slept for 3 nights at an ex covid testing centre. 3,300 arrived in the previous 3 weeks. At what point do they arrive at that this is just not sustainable anymore in its current format? Were at 50k now give or take, and each 1k that arrive will be harder to accommodate that the previous 1k. Where is the breaking point?

    Harking back to my previous point they need to cut benefits for any Ukrainian in free accommodation and free meals. How is that Irish people on social welfare aren’t afforded the same luxury? Or other refugees on 38 euro per week aren’t? Why is it that Ukrainians are getting excessive special treatment? Why do they deserve more than someone from Syria, Afghanistan or someone on benefits here? That I cannot wrap my head around. You could argue it’s a racist policy giving special treatment to one group over everyone else based purely on nationality.

    Surely they can see the writing is on the wall that something will have to change but they seem paralysed by fear to do anything. And some things they wanted to do in the budget they have to scale back on now because it will cost too much, they won’t mention paying Ukrainians full whack benefits along with free accommodation and meals as costing too much that’s for sure.

    The worlds slowest car crash in motion.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can’t figure out what’s worse. The excruciatingly boring essays or the attempts at humor that fall so far flat, that they’re prime candidates for Pancake Tuesday.

    Imagine that, the local community reluctant to accept several hundred, unvetted males, surreptitiously parachuted into their area. The utter swines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    You don’t have to pick between them Hamachi, it’s ok to continue to inform me how terribly bored you are as though you haven’t figured out how to use the ignore function yet.

    All we can do in any case is imagine it, because it didn’t happen. In reality what actually happened was that 50 refugees (who were actually vetted, just not by nosy locals), were being accommodated in a former covid testing centre with accommodation capacity for up to 220 people, and some of the locals complained -

    https://www.98fm.com/uncategorized/safety-concerns-refugees-finglas-1374566

    Like I said - nothing brings a community together like blow-ins.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’re right. It’s impossible to choose.

    So now the locals are ‘nosey’ for having a stake in who gets parachuted into their community. How dare they be concerned, and even worse, articulate that angst.

    Never mind, ‘Jack’ can assure those pesky locals that these people are all fully vetted and of impeccable character. Whilst you’re are it, care to provide some evidence to corroborate that statement?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Do I care to provide evidence to corroborate your claim?

    No, no I can’t say I do tbh.



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