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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    You'd be surprised how far a pair of 2s could go.......or have we already crossed the river card and now totally isolated from the rest of the pack?! 🫢



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,430 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    General Mark Hertling (former commander of the US Army in Europe) says he's had his suspicions for over a decade that the Russian army was of a very poor calibre. He's basing this on personal experiences too - he visited Russia on three different occasions and was shown around military installations, watched Russian troops training etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Keep in mind too that the US military and others have been exaggerating the might of the Russian army for a long time too. Helps sustain their defence budgets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,927 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's not about writing it's about analysis. Over the last 2-3 pages on this thread you have posted 10+ times and rattled off 15+ question's.

    Tell me this 200k troops that you think he can field. What will they be armed with. Will they have access to APV'S and trucks to get them to the front line.

    Will they all have bullet proof vests like the US and the other western armies provide it's troops. Will they have tanks, artillery, radios ( even the unencrypted ones the Russian army use at present), trained officer's and experienced NCO's.

    Russia has the largest land border of any country. It borders China which it has to be wary of. It's involved in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, the Congo, Moldova as well as Ukraine.

    It's Wagner group was supposed to similar to the US military contractor system. They are probably not as capable as professional soldiers from any Western nation. They are basically enforces for the regime. These are the losses of the Russian army in the last six months from sources on the net

    Personnel – 43750 (+200)

    Tanks – 1876 (+12)

    Armored Fighting Vehicles – 4141 (+15)

    Artillery Systems – 985 (+5)

    Multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) — 261 (+0)

    Means of air defense – 136 (+0)

    Aircraft – 233 (+0)

    Helicopters – 195 (+1)

    Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) operational-tactical level – 787 (+3)

    Cruise Missiles – 187 (+0)

    Ships/Boats – 15 (+0)

    Automotive equipment and tank trucks – 3044 (+5)

    Special Technique – 92 (+1).

    The other problem it's now facing is that any tanks or APV's still at the front are reaching factory overhaul timing and may need to be pulled. Because it used non precision artillery bombardment's to try to bomb Ukraine into submission many of its artillery pieces need barrel changes which they do not have it seems.

    If they send 200 k troops into the Ukraine it's the Zulus against the Redcoats and we know how that ended.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Putin is on the back foot now and there will be contingency plans made for all of his LIKELY moves.

    His position will be shaken though, by the level of impunity with which Ukraine can attack Crimea.

    Best scenario in the medium term, and not impossible, is that Putin gets "demoted" and Russia walks away leaving all the humiliation and shame on Putin's doorstep. Maybe he's being left at the helm until the boat is on the rocks?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,185 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Yeah but nuclear war chief.

    That’s not good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,185 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,766 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Have you ever noticed that lots of different news websites will all report the same news stories at more or less the same time? Do you think that each of these does independent research to confirm facts and then they all simultaneously reach the same conclusions and then independently report the same story, amazingly, using exactly the same wording and photos?

    I'll let you in on a little secret, only one of them comes up with the story, the rest just cut and paste it. It's the same with stuff like Russian force estimates - and they are only estimates. Probably only one or three security services actually have the resources to come up with the estimates, and most won't make those estimates public. So while you are trying to justify your numbers with a claim that numerous sources back them up, your claim is false - they are just all echoing the one source capable of making the estimates.

    The CIA are prone to exageration, because it serves a purpose of unnerving the US public and politicians and making it easier to get approval for large defence expenditure. This CIA exageration was quite prevalent during the cold war. The Russians also exagerated their numbers as it also served their purposes to appear like a more serious threat and therefor be taken more seriosly.

    Did you know that during the cold war, the official population of Russia was supposedly 225 million, and that Moscow was a city of 5 million? The science fiction author Robert Heinlein actually went on a holiday with his fluent Russian speaking wife to the USSR in 1960 and did some private investigating to try and confirm the nubers and came to the conclusion that Moscow probably only had a population of about 600,000 and that the population was probably a lot less than claimed. He was right.

    "but Soviet military manning and procurement was never as robust as the CIA estimated. The CIA depiction of a Soviet military Goliath with global reach and even control of international terrorism bolstered Reagan’s portrayal of an “evil empire.” CIA publications regularly discussed a “relentless Soviet buildup” and a “disquieting index of Soviet intentions,” which reflected institutional bias and not reality. CIA distortions of military issues also contributed to delays in disarmament negotiation with the Soviet Union" https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/05/25/intelligence-and-ideology-the-exaggeration-of-the-threat/

    Have you heard about the very serious issue of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

    The CIA factbook probably should be taken with several pinches of salt.

    Oh, and this tells you a lot about Russian military might:

    "Vladimir Putin offers one million rubles to Russian mothers with 10 children as the country battles a demographic crisis

    President Vladimir Putin is offering a one-off payment to Russian mothers who have given birth to 10 or more children as a way to address the country's demographic crisis. - August 19, 2022" https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/vladimir-putin-offers-one-million-rubles-to-russian-mothers-with-10-children-as-the-country-battles-a-demographic-crisis/news-story/062f502d80957b7d913a1ecd06df6d32



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    22 beats AK unsuited more then 50% of the time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The problem is you can only play that hand once, of the outcome is underwhelming, you might have left your self exposed to every state with a Russian gripe and there are lots waiting for their chance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    The main issue with Russia declaring a war is that the current "special military operation" is actually a bullshit term. It's already a full-blown war. Russia declaring war would indeed allow them to mobilise reserves, and go to war production, but there isn't exactly anything stopping them from doing all that at any point right now.

    If their production goes to "war mode", then sure, they'll have new tanks, guns and ammo, but not any time soon. The same with mobilisation, it takes a long time call troops, equip them, and train them to a basic level, and then move them to the war zone. None of this is going to happen this year, even if they started right now.

    Then there's the matter of sanctions - I'm sure they can get some parts needed for production, but it's not simple.

    It's true Russia didn't have enough troops to start a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Yet they did. That's why it hasn't gone great for them. Maybe they can gather up more strength, and re-launch their offensive, but who thinks they'll do better next time?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Will the West keep sending money to Ukraine?

    Yes.

    And even if you add on the money that they are currently sending to Russia for gas it is still by far the better option than allowing Russia to take Ukraine. The West/ EU/ NATO will do absolutely everything they can to stop Russia in its tracks, and they would much rather spend money to achieve that than spend lives of their military... But will if they need to.

    Allowing Russia to take over Ukraine just isn't an option. If the public in the west starts to get a bit bored, the various governments will still be sticking with the sending money and equipment to Ukraine option. Letting Russia win is far worse than a few disgruntled voters.

    Whilst the Russian public may be indifferent to what is happening in Ukraine, I don't think the western public is indifferent to the idea of Ukraine being taken over by Russia and they will support the Western governments actions for longer than Putin will be able to avoid getting assassinated which is the inevitable outcome for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    I doubt the Russians could even get the missiles out of the silos anyway nobody is talking invading Russia just freeing Ukraine of the orks. There should be at the very least a massive NATO lead force deployed to the nuclear plants tomorrow to take them back from the pricks. Enough to NATO being a wet blanket talking shop and time to start standing up to the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,927 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    But the win ratio with AK is better

    but that is sitting with a pair of duces with one in the pocket and only against one other player. Getting dealt a pair of two's and managing to sit out and win a game against 5-6 other players is my h higher odds

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One option for Putin is to supplement the depleted Russian army with conscripts. Maybe replace Russian troops on NATO or China’s border.

    So, you now have 500,000 formerly repressed pissed off Russians with guns. You think Vlad is comfortable with that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    It's Eastern Ukraine Putin is after. An area approximately half the size of the UK is now under Russian control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,046 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    On BBC site Russians are saying they shot down a drone before it could hit the Sevastopol naval base...

    The Russian-installed regional head Mikhail Razvozhayev did not mention any damage caused, but said in a Telegram post that a Ukrainian drone had been shot down over naval headquarters and fell onto the roof of the building.

    He posted a picture online, saying nobody was hurt.

    "It was hit right above the fleet HQ. It fell on the roof and caught fire. They did not manage to carry out the strike.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-62615601

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    One one hand posters are saying you can't believe numbers estimating the size of the Russian military . Numbers that anyone can google and find multiple sources ie governments, media etc

    People gave the post a thumbs up.

    Then on the same page someone posts supposed Russian military loses from "sources on the net" and people give the post a thumbs up.

    The exact opposite! This time we are supposed to believe the sources.

    It's amazing. And what are the bets some of the thanks on both posts( saying the exact opposite from the other) are from the same posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Stop with the nonsense, Putin wanted all of Ukraine but got stopped.

    Now he has a somewhat larger chunk than he had last Christmas but is getting pummeled all along the front line and will most likely lose a chunk of what he controls now by the end of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    200k troops wouldn't take a country the size of Ukraine.

    Don't be ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    How do you assess that? Nobody seems to know what Russia's objectives are/ were/ will be with this 'special operation'. Do they know themselves? Variously we hear that they regard the whole of Ukraine as Russian territory and they'd also have their eyes on all the Baltic states as they regard this as part of their heritage & empire. This is an imperialist war, driven by a desire to expand territory and command natural assets. Nothing else.

    Putin's only weapon this winter is gas, gas and gas.

    You say above he could throw in thousands more troops into a winter campaign - sheer madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Mullinabreena


    It's also a gas rich area too, along with the south.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Russia had taken an area have the size of the UK. What do you think is happening in this seized land behind the lines?

    People are being given Russian passports.

    Russian currency is now being used

    Anyone who resists is being shot

    This is part of Russia now.

    Ukraine does not get this back. Thats the reality.

    200k troops would never have been enough to take Ukraine! They would need the entire Russian military to even have any hope. This is about Eastern Ukraine. Just like Crimea.

    A land grab



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Exactly. Massive reserves that Russia has spent a fortune disrupting any attempt by Ukraine to develop the resources for themselves.

    There is also year round ice free shipping giving access to the Mediterranean Sea.


    This is going on years. Its a land grab and they have grabbed a lot of land



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    With only 200k soldiers spread accros multiple cities and no attempt at air dominance despite having a 10/1 ratio airforce in their favour?

    It's obvious.

    Bombing kiev using cruise missiles is a distraction. Eastern Ukraine is where the soldiers are based.

    Odessa isn't viable. It's too far west and Ukrainian military is fighting tooth and nail on the battle lines in the East.

    Check out the map. BBC have a good one

    Ukraine cannot win on their own. Russia has taken Eastern Ukraine. Again look at the map. 160k odd square kilometers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,927 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You are talking through your proverbial. Russia taught it only had to send a battle group of paratroopers to swan into Kyiv and use a special forces unit to capture and/ or kill Zelenyshi and the war would be over. Another 20-50k would rock up the Ukrainian M50 and slap bam thank you mam there special operation would be over.

    They taught the Ukrainian's would either p!ss in themselves or welcome them with flowers. They got it badly wrong.

    You think now that 200k more conscripts and border guards are going to make a difference. If Puntin was going to mobilize he have done it last May. He could not do it then as the quality of the Russian conscripts are sh!the. These have not even has a proper basic training when they were originally conscripted 2-10 years ago.

    These are not ex US troops that joined the army to get through college got 2-3 years of top class training and are now in the national guard. They did not do a tour of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. These are the same as putting a gun into an 20 or 22 year old college kids hands in Ireland. Not only that they are not motivated

    Look at what the US did to the Iraqi army on the roadways out of Kuwait city. It will be much the same if Putin trys to add another 200 k to his army.

    The reason people thanked my posts was not because I posted drivel from the net but because I gave a reasoning to my figures and to what is happening.

    Wars are no longer about the number of troops you have it's about technology. And Russia has no f@@king technology

    Slava Ukrainii



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