I'm not asking any question
I'm dealing in fact. The fact that Russia has taken Eastern Ukraine with a force of 200k. The pro separatist regions of donetsk and luhansk are now part of Russia. Just like Crimea. 160k Square kilometres
Hopefully Ukrainian forces using western military equipment can reclaim this ground but its highly unlikely.
They didnt think they would have to fight them. Ukraine was supposed to be run by a nazi cia regime that no one would fight for. Collapse like a house of cards. Zelensky smuggled out of the country by the CIA.
They dropped their elite paratroops into hostomel airport ahead of the rest of the army.
They werent planning for a war but a coup detat.
This is reflected in all their military dispositions down to use of riot police and lack of rations.
How about before repeating the same question over on over - engaging with the multiple rebuttals already provided.
The US army would do it with 80-100 k troops
200k to take a country the size of Ukraine who have over 7 million of a population fit for military service with an active personnel of 200k and a reserve of 900k.
Absolute nonsense
Someone needs to find a new hobby,
putinbots
Ahh come off it. It was pretty obvious to nearly everyone analyzing this war that Russia and Putin had planned to try and take Kyiv quickly by overwhelming it. But they seriously misjudged the Ukranian resistance and the capabilities of their own logistics.
Dont try and spew this rubbish about it being their masterplan to draw resources from the East.
Unless of they were overblown too.
The fact Russia has been sending out T-62s tells it all, artillery shells are running out and Infantry vehicles are almost depleted. He could send a million men into Ukraine but without armour and they'd be blown to bits. Russia is going to slowly beaten back inside its borders and left to rot in sanction hell.
You are talking through your proverbial. Russia taught it only had to send a battle group of paratroopers to swan into Kyiv and use a special forces unit to capture and/ or kill Zelenyshi and the war would be over. Another 20-50k would rock up the Ukrainian M50 and slap bam thank you mam there special operation would be over.
They taught the Ukrainian's would either p!ss in themselves or welcome them with flowers. They got it badly wrong.
You think now that 200k more conscripts and border guards are going to make a difference. If Puntin was going to mobilize he have done it last May. He could not do it then as the quality of the Russian conscripts are sh!the. These have not even has a proper basic training when they were originally conscripted 2-10 years ago.
These are not ex US troops that joined the army to get through college got 2-3 years of top class training and are now in the national guard. They did not do a tour of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. These are the same as putting a gun into an 20 or 22 year old college kids hands in Ireland. Not only that they are not motivated
Look at what the US did to the Iraqi army on the roadways out of Kuwait city. It will be much the same if Putin trys to add another 200 k to his army.
The reason people thanked my posts was not because I posted drivel from the net but because I gave a reasoning to my figures and to what is happening.
Wars are no longer about the number of troops you have it's about technology. And Russia has no f@@king technology
With only 200k soldiers spread accros multiple cities and no attempt at air dominance despite having a 10/1 ratio airforce in their favour?
It's obvious.
Bombing kiev using cruise missiles is a distraction. Eastern Ukraine is where the soldiers are based.
Odessa isn't viable. It's too far west and Ukrainian military is fighting tooth and nail on the battle lines in the East.
Check out the map. BBC have a good one
Ukraine cannot win on their own. Russia has taken Eastern Ukraine. Again look at the map. 160k odd square kilometers
So Kiev and Odessa were never targets ?
Exactly. Massive reserves that Russia has spent a fortune disrupting any attempt by Ukraine to develop the resources for themselves.
There is also year round ice free shipping giving access to the Mediterranean Sea.
This is going on years. Its a land grab and they have grabbed a lot of land
Russia had taken an area have the size of the UK. What do you think is happening in this seized land behind the lines?
People are being given Russian passports.
Russian currency is now being used
Anyone who resists is being shot
This is part of Russia now.
Ukraine does not get this back. Thats the reality.
200k troops would never have been enough to take Ukraine! They would need the entire Russian military to even have any hope. This is about Eastern Ukraine. Just like Crimea.
A land grab
It's also a gas rich area too, along with the south.
How do you assess that? Nobody seems to know what Russia's objectives are/ were/ will be with this 'special operation'. Do they know themselves? Variously we hear that they regard the whole of Ukraine as Russian territory and they'd also have their eyes on all the Baltic states as they regard this as part of their heritage & empire. This is an imperialist war, driven by a desire to expand territory and command natural assets. Nothing else.
Putin's only weapon this winter is gas, gas and gas.
You say above he could throw in thousands more troops into a winter campaign - sheer madness.
200k troops wouldn't take a country the size of Ukraine.
Don't be ridiculous.
Stop with the nonsense, Putin wanted all of Ukraine but got stopped.
Now he has a somewhat larger chunk than he had last Christmas but is getting pummeled all along the front line and will most likely lose a chunk of what he controls now by the end of the year.
One one hand posters are saying you can't believe numbers estimating the size of the Russian military . Numbers that anyone can google and find multiple sources ie governments, media etc
People gave the post a thumbs up.
Then on the same page someone posts supposed Russian military loses from "sources on the net" and people give the post a thumbs up.
The exact opposite! This time we are supposed to believe the sources.
It's amazing. And what are the bets some of the thanks on both posts( saying the exact opposite from the other) are from the same posters.
Must have been transporting ammo
On BBC site Russians are saying they shot down a drone before it could hit the Sevastopol naval base...
The Russian-installed regional head Mikhail Razvozhayev did not mention any damage caused, but said in a Telegram post that a Ukrainian drone had been shot down over naval headquarters and fell onto the roof of the building.
He posted a picture online, saying nobody was hurt.
"It was hit right above the fleet HQ. It fell on the roof and caught fire. They did not manage to carry out the strike.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-62615601
It's Eastern Ukraine Putin is after. An area approximately half the size of the UK is now under Russian control.
Sevastopol
One option for Putin is to supplement the depleted Russian army with conscripts. Maybe replace Russian troops on NATO or China’s border.
So, you now have 500,000 formerly repressed pissed off Russians with guns. You think Vlad is comfortable with that?
But the win ratio with AK is better
but that is sitting with a pair of duces with one in the pocket and only against one other player. Getting dealt a pair of two's and managing to sit out and win a game against 5-6 other players is my h higher odds
I doubt the Russians could even get the missiles out of the silos anyway nobody is talking invading Russia just freeing Ukraine of the orks. There should be at the very least a massive NATO lead force deployed to the nuclear plants tomorrow to take them back from the pricks. Enough to NATO being a wet blanket talking shop and time to start standing up to the Russians.
Will the West keep sending money to Ukraine?
Yes.
And even if you add on the money that they are currently sending to Russia for gas it is still by far the better option than allowing Russia to take Ukraine. The West/ EU/ NATO will do absolutely everything they can to stop Russia in its tracks, and they would much rather spend money to achieve that than spend lives of their military... But will if they need to.
Allowing Russia to take over Ukraine just isn't an option. If the public in the west starts to get a bit bored, the various governments will still be sticking with the sending money and equipment to Ukraine option. Letting Russia win is far worse than a few disgruntled voters.
Whilst the Russian public may be indifferent to what is happening in Ukraine, I don't think the western public is indifferent to the idea of Ukraine being taken over by Russia and they will support the Western governments actions for longer than Putin will be able to avoid getting assassinated which is the inevitable outcome for him.
The main issue with Russia declaring a war is that the current "special military operation" is actually a bullshit term. It's already a full-blown war. Russia declaring war would indeed allow them to mobilise reserves, and go to war production, but there isn't exactly anything stopping them from doing all that at any point right now.
If their production goes to "war mode", then sure, they'll have new tanks, guns and ammo, but not any time soon. The same with mobilisation, it takes a long time call troops, equip them, and train them to a basic level, and then move them to the war zone. None of this is going to happen this year, even if they started right now.
Then there's the matter of sanctions - I'm sure they can get some parts needed for production, but it's not simple.
It's true Russia didn't have enough troops to start a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Yet they did. That's why it hasn't gone great for them. Maybe they can gather up more strength, and re-launch their offensive, but who thinks they'll do better next time?
The problem is you can only play that hand once, of the outcome is underwhelming, you might have left your self exposed to every state with a Russian gripe and there are lots waiting for their chance
This possibly
22 beats AK unsuited more then 50% of the time
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