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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    WOW.....I wonder what has changed with them so. Russian reporting is notoriously economic with the truth, and especially when it comes to military setbacks. Unless of course, they will use it to back up their claim that they are defending Russians from the Ukrainian Nazis and NATO and the West in general. But at this stage will the Russian public still believe them? Or have doubts steadily been creeping in for more and more Russians, and not just the one's who have lost family members to Putins madness?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Desperation maybe trying to tap into nationalism. Cant see White Muscovites swallowing that though. As long as its people from poor areas who they don't care about they will blame them for loosing too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,540 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They are a bit more sparse on details compared to the Western media, but the explosions at Belgorod for example have been reported, so the Russian public are aware of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 SemenInMyEyes


    Reports that the Kerch bridge is closed due to Ukrainian attacks. Hopefully through. Still waiting for more sources to report it though. Obviously a major blow to Russia if true.

    Obviously wait for more sources.

    https://www.intellinews.com/suspected-ukrainian-attacks-force-closure-of-crimean-bridge-connected-to-russia-253774/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I remember early on in this discussion saying that Ukraine could well and truly give putin a bloody nose, but it's like he's been dragged into a bears cave and he's being played with and wondering when he's going to be finally eaten , surely the Serbians who are being baited by Russia to be kick off with Kosovo must be looking on and thinking if things kick off Russia isn't coming to save them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    If the Russians are getting their arses handed to them as reported today it's when Putin is most likely to do something crazy. Hopefully tomorrow doesn't bring awful news for the European continent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Could well be. Now going to be logical and cold here just be aware.


    I think the biggest thing they could do is drop a few thermobaric weapons on Kyiv take out most of the city. Then leave Entirely. To send a message. They are conventional but I would put them in the same class as nukes. The only question is do they have them and can they get them to the target. They can claim victory then as They take out the Pres and most of the Government. Special operation done.

    No offence meant in this post. I want Ukraine to boot them out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 SemenInMyEyes


    I feel we are entering the next phase of the war. Russia will be pushed back. I just cannot see them holding any ground while Ukraine is getting so much aid and the whole western world is against Putin. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for NATO to destroy the adversary it was created to protect against and I am sure that while the war is not in the news as much Russia will be ground down to collapse.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well there is always kinetic energy if you can make it go faster



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I've been pondering the impact of potentially destroying the Kerch bridge and taking it out permanently.

    First, if the Kerch bridge was hit badly enough to need extensive repairs, I get the impression that unless Russia can machine and install the parts themselves, they might not have the means to actually make repairs. The Soviet Union could have done it, but I'm not so sure about the modern Russian Federation.

    If the bridge is out for good, then they need to go back to using boats to cross the Kerch Strait. Assuming they haven't already dismantled the ports that used to handle that traffic, all land transport will have to go to Crimea via ships, creating a massive bottleneck in their military & logistics traffic.

    I feel this would have 2 impacts, in particular to the Kherson front:

    The first is logistical. Kherson was invaded via Crimea and is likely still supplied via Crimea. They have a "land-bridge" to Russia via Southern Ukraine and Donbas, but this route lacks a direct rail link. The rail links into Donbas would have to be rebuilt or built from scratch. The only direct(-ish) rail link is via Crimea and the Kerch Bridge. Loosing the bridge would make supplying the Russians there all the more difficult. They could have the option of airlifts into Crimea, but you'd need several plane loads to match a cargo train, and even then you still need to use trucks to get that stuff up to Kherson. What little material the Russians had for that fight will probably fall to beyond critical levels.

    The second impact would be morale, or more importantly, the sense that they always had the option to retreat to Russia proper if things got too bad. There's a real possibility of Russians getting trapped on the Right Bank of the Dniper and within Kherson if Ukraine can make the 2 only crossings in that area useless. But worse still, you can add the idea that even if they retreat into Crimea and are chased there by a successfully advancing Ukraine, they are going to feel the need to scramble for an airlift or to that bottleneck at the Kerch ferry port. The possible panic of these situations would descend into absolute chaos. It could turn into a rout of a scale unseen since the Korean War.

    This is all assuming that Ukraine can damage the Bridge badly enough and that Russia will not have the means to repair it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,852 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Can you elaborate on what you mean by "the Serbians being baited by Russia to be kick off with Kosovo" ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,852 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Why do you think Russia wouldn't be able to repair the bridge? Russia built it, not the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union baulked at the idea of building it due to Spring ice flows I think. Although Russia is impacted by current sanctions, I would imagine they still have the ability to repair the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There are in discussions about the current tensions but it is somewhere where NATO will step in, so any alleged Russian provocations are probably very wide of the mark. Serbia also wants to be in the EU and they backed the UN vote on the Russian invasion back in March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Might well take a while , and depending on which spans of the bridge were to be damaged it might well block or slow ship traffic through the Kerch straits altogether ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It's a hypothetical possibility. Which would depend a lot on how damaged the bridge is, how much technical knowledge the Russians have for the type of repair needed, and critically what resources are needed for the repair. Pre-sanctions Russia had still access to most of what they needed to run such a project, but the current Russian situation might get to a point where they can't take on a Mega-Project like this one. That's not to say that they still can't now, but time might make this increasingly difficult for them.

    Also add the possibility of a repair effort also being attacked. That danger was much less when they built the thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seems like shooting the bridge is part of a strategy to isolate the troops trapped on the Ukraine side of the Dnipro. The '10000 bee sting' approach shown last night might just be there to ratchet up the pressure, via the Russian people, who may actually be hearing about this. I'd expect lots of activity in Crimea through the weekends. And the orcs will commit more atrocities since it's all they've got.


    Interesting summary in the Torygraph of all places. Paywalled so archive.ph link

    Russia leaves 20,000 soldiers stranded in tactical withdrawal to the east




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭Rawr



    All going well for the Ukrainians, we might witness the first dramatic defeat of a Russian force around Kherson, with the exception of the earlier withdrawal from the Kiev area. If all of what was reported was true, the commanders there know they haven't got many options left in Kherson and have possibly left their conscripts there to be slaughtered. Some might try to just bug out and flee (not easy over those 2 only bridges where their own side might shoot them for trying it), some might get the chance to surrender to the Ukrainians (probably their best option if they can't get home) or they will fight it out and probably die.

    Pretty concerned for the residents of Kherson though. Russian conscripts are poorly disiplined as a rule, but without their commanders they are more likely to become feral and do horrible things to the locals. The sooner they can be removed, the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Loud explosion reported in Kerch, according to occupation authorities air defense system activated

    Isnt there a bridge around there?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Mullinabreena


    Or the Ukrainians could hit it again after any repairs. Rinse & repeat.

    Post edited by Mullinabreena on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭zv2


    It was mentioned that Erdogan carried a message from Putin. Might be nothing in this but-


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    If they hit the bridge, it will only be repaired when the war is over (unless ruskies start to advance again). Its not like bringing a car to your mechanic. All the inspections, getting required materials and bringing them to the site, plus if they hit it once, they might hit this again. Whos gonna do all the repair? And even then, its gonna take some time, its not a 1 day job



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, and just when it has become operational, its gets hit again....if they can hit it once, they can hit it again, and again and again. Once its out of action, thats it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Several explosions reported in Zaporizhzhia

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Just have to ask if they can afford to 3billion to rebuild it every time it gets blown up ,

    Once the bridge get hit it's almost game over for the Russians ,they won't risk large cargo flights knowing that the Ukrainians can shoot them down every time



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, anyone not of the opinion the Russian military/politicians are panicking? Would love to hear a counter theory... and that Russia still occupies a fifth of Ukraine isn't evidence of anything... you, know... before anyone tries that hoary old chestnut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭zv2


    This is just one day

    Aug18.jpg


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To add...

    Sense of Pride at being a world superpower 1



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




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