Russia - threadbanned users in OP

zv2 · 14-08-2022 09:42AM

Antonovsky Bridge

https://twitter.com/Fidget02/status/1558749009082204161?s=20&t=cGpiP600z82QFdpzz3PqMw

Fighting Tao · 14-08-2022 09:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470786#Comment_119470786

Re-read my post.

firemansam4 · 14-08-2022 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470786#Comment_119470786

This oul Ukraine has lost one fifth of its territory so must be loosing the war nugget.

Seems to be the go to response for all the trolls on social media to say how Ukraine has lost and should surrender.

At the start of the war many were predicting the complete capitulation of Ukriane, Kiev would fall in days we heard.

Russia which was supposed to be one of the great military powers on this planet have only been able to take one fifth of Ukraine for over 6 months while spunking vast amounts of weapons and loosing vast amounts of troops.

Are Ukraine winning? Well we can debate that, but Russia sure as hell are not winning if you go by what their objectives have been from the start.

And in a war which was supposed to be against NATO expansion, it is now looking likely they have achieved exactly the opposite in that regard.

jmreire · 14-08-2022 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470786#Comment_119470786

Any information on how things are on the Russian home front? Rising unemployment, rising inflation, budget being cannibalized to pay for the war ( OOP's...I mean " Special Nazi Elimination Operation" ) so expect major cut backs in other areas...public health, infrastructure etc. Oh, and I see that the Dollar / Euro shops are back again. Foreigners with their foreign currency only, no others ( ordinary Russians) need apply. God, how I remember the looks of sheer hatred I used to get coming out of one of these shops when I lived there. Hard to blame them, I suppose. All the goods that the west had to offer, right in the middle of Moscow, but not for Russians.Its history repeating itself.

Ficheall · 14-08-2022 10:35AM

Right, Russia certainly aren't doing as well as they hoped, and their efforts have been counterproductive in a lot of ways - but Ukraine is still in the ****. In terms of the actual fighting, Russia don't appear to be lost yet after the six months. It's like if a thug is beating the crap out of someone, and lookers-on say "let's not be friends with the thug any more", or "Hey, stop that!", or even block a few of the blows, and the consensus then becomes "There, look, the victim isn't being as badly beaten as the thug wanted, and this is going to reflect badly on the thug, who is getting tired btw.. Everything's rosy!"

Rawr · 14-08-2022 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470993#Comment_119470993

Indeed. Ukraine has neither won nor lost for the time being, but they are holding which is not what the Russians were banking on. The fact that Ukraine can hold, and hold so effectively for such a long time is disastrous for the Russians.

They had banked on a quick win.
I feel they had banked on getting Southern Ukraine intact to use as a land-bridge, instead of the bombed out mess they have now.
And they banked on The West doing a repeat of 2014, wring their hands and do nothing to help Ukriane.

But now they have an opponent who is bleeding them of man-power. Every little turnpike and village is turning into mini-Stalingrad fights that they only win after throwing enough cannon fodder in, or if the Ukrainian’s bug out to a better position…(because they appear to be the smarter fighters in this war).

And for their efforts the Russians are now on currently worthless territory that’s actively hostile to them, they have now galvanised many Ukrainians (including Russian speakers) into a shared national identity. They have made the endgame if Finlandisation to mean NATO Membership, forever removing that card from their “diplomatic” game deck. They have turned the Russian Federation into a gigantic North Korea, now reliant on China & Friends to supply them with bog-standard tech.

Oh…and the wealthy Russians now can’t go to Europe to holiday and buy Gucci crap….let me just wipe a tear of sadness from my cheek about that last one.

If this is Russian “Winning”, I would hate to see what losing looks like.

zv2 · 14-08-2022 11:00AM

Dangerous rhetoric

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1558632218632896513?s=20&t=KvboPQ99EKVyUmsZJubizA

Full conversation - EndGameWW3 🇺🇸 on Twitter: "Update: WSJ: The former US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, said that the US is "on the brink of war with Moscow and Beijing over controversial issues for which we are partially responsible."" / Twitter

josip · 14-08-2022 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470532#Comment_119470532

Yet another nekulturny.

Podge_irl · 14-08-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471156#Comment_119471156

Its not like that at all as Russia are not able to mount any significant offensive operations anymore. A better (though still flawed) analogy would be they are half way through a boxing match where Russia took the first few rounds on points but they are now just trading blows.

Russia have "lost" the ability to advance any further. It is likely, though not guaranteed, that Ukraine will continue to get stronger as Russia continues to get weaker. Where the endpoint is going to be no one knows but it won't be anywhere close to where Russia were aiming.

Furze99 · 14-08-2022 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470532#Comment_119470532

I'm inclined to agree that we should be deporting Ukrainian men wanted for service, back to Ukraine to do their bit of service. Thanks for pointing this out. More hands the merrier and spreads the load, will drive the Russian bastards back quicker.

14-08-2022 11:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471156#Comment_119471156

Poor analogy. You do realise Russia is losing 10s of thousands of men. It takes a weird/biased view to come up with your analogy.

greenpilot · 14-08-2022 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470907#Comment_119470907

"Not advancing in an evasion".

Hmm. The point of "an evasion", is not to advance. I like your paradoxical strategic thinking!

That's it, that's the explanation for Russia's military failures. They are unable to tell the difference between "evasion" and "invasion" !

14-08-2022 11:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471394#Comment_119471394

Hah! And D’oh!

zv2 · 14-08-2022 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471380#Comment_119471380

According to Ukr. stats they lost 1,200 this last week.

is_that_so · 14-08-2022 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471236#Comment_119471236

It's not really rhetoric, just another opinion from a man who has spent his life giving opinions.

Darth Putin · 14-08-2022 12:24PM

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1558778000954490880?s=20&t=lZPwyLM4Xcmk4qKrTu9DFA

good good let em holiday in Crimea or back arse of Tannu Tova

14-08-2022 12:54PM

Of course I’d be amenable to a ban on visas to Russians, but would a better move be placing a heavy cross-EU tax upon them with all proceeds to Ukrainian defence?

Igotadose · 14-08-2022 12:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471715#Comment_119471715

Nah. The ones that would pay it, would likely get up to something on behalf of Putin. Keep the murderer's accomplices out.

Ficheall · 14-08-2022 01:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471380#Comment_119471380

Ukraine is also losing people, and Putin does not care about the lives of the Russian soldiers so long as there are replacements.

Also, this suggestion of "bias" that is trotted out any time someone is pessimistic about the war is reminiscent of the start of covid where people were understandably worried and you had posters respond to others' concerns with the "You love all these deaths, don't you?" and similar fuckwittery.

People have different outlooks on things; claiming people whose outlook is different to yours must be because they're rooting for the enemy is tedious nonsense.

Perhaps that is not what you meant by "biased" here, and if so apologies perhaps, but it is a tendency that pops up too often.

technocrat · 14-08-2022 01:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471603#Comment_119471603

Excellent news.

More countries to follow would be great especially major ones like Germany, Italy & France.

Hopefully the penny will finally start to drop with the Russian populace and its lead to widespread unrest in Russki land.

Polar101 · 14-08-2022 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471797#Comment_119471797

You said you didn't think Russia was losing. Do you think their "special military operation" has been a great success? It seems to me they haven't managed to do much since they ran away from Kyiv. Ukraine are fighting for their survival, and so far they've managed to do it quite well. Meanwhile Russia has been reduced to a terrorist state whose only friends are North Korea, Syria and Iran.

Darth Putin · 14-08-2022 01:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471726#Comment_119471726

Make em sign a “I do not support Putin’s war” clause in visa, just like Americans ask (used to) if you were a Nazi

make the names of those get visas public as Russians are so cynical

Ficheall · 14-08-2022 01:51PM

I don't think any outcome would have been a "great success"; the invasion was the act of a madman in the first place.

Darth Putin · 14-08-2022 01:58PM

4% gdp drop in q2 alone, probably double that as official figures are fake

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-gross-domestic-product-wholesale-trade-ab305cecb9c4276a0d690f7ffd6f1dd4

14-08-2022 02:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471797#Comment_119471797

I can’t see your point of view. Yes, Ukraine is also losing people. Putin is a psychopath and doesn’t care about his people. So?

Russia’s best chance of victory was a quick win and to tell the rest of the world ‘nothing to see here. None of your business, Russian internal business’ Crimea mk11.

The Ukrainians seem to have decided to not go quietly into that dark night. And seem adverse to being raped and pillaged. Thankfully Western powers have decided enough was enough and to stop the 21st century Hitler. That’s not to say Ukraine isn’t getting hurt, but what’s the alternative? And while Russia are being utter bastards it would take some twist of logic to claim they are winning.

The next claim is up for debate. I think the war is turning, and Russian defence of its territorial gains are looking dodgy.

Ficheall · 14-08-2022 03:04PM

I never said they were winning. I said people have been talking on here for nearly six months about how Russia has been losing. They seem to be taking their sweet fecking time doing so, and inflicting countless horrors on Ukraine all the while.

paul71 · 14-08-2022 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472165#Comment_119472165

Stalingrad to Berlin was 3 years. Midway to Tokoyo harbour was 3 years. War is not quick easy or glorious, its slow painful and hard with a lot of death. Russias invasion has failed but it will still be a long road to remove them.

rogber · 14-08-2022 03:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471814#Comment_119471814

I don't normally like punishing a population for the acts of its government but in this case I would also like to see a ban.

Though would also understand the inevitable cries of double standards if citizens of places like Saudi Arabia can still get visas

Furze99 · 14-08-2022 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472165#Comment_119472165

What people are saying is that Russia is on a trajectory that is leading towards losing. They are somewhere along that curve. How soon and when is hard to say but it's been inevitable since the early days of this conflict.

Putin and his administration have beggared their country and sooner or later that truth will hit ordinary Russian citizens.

fly_agaric · 14-08-2022 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472316#Comment_119472316

Just on that (a charge of some "double standards" vs the citizens of other autocratic states), Saudi Arabia's govt. is unpleasant and I don't trust it myself, but it is not openly working to destroy us.

I don't think it is sensationalist to say that Russia's is since Feb. this year (it was hostile before then too, but at a much lower level than launching wars on the EUs borders and the govt. publically threatening EU members with use of force in future).

Its citizens should not get the easy access to the EU that they still have today for leisure and business + abilities to evade the sanctions as well by travelling to the EU to buy products and take them out etc. It just does not make sense any more (for multiple reasons).

The EU as a collective is pretty much entering a new Cold war, with Russia on the opposite side now - this will mean an end to all kinds of interactions, economic, social, political. Even if Ireland (Irish public, maybe the govt. too?) hasn't actually fully internalised it yet or still thinks its nothing much to do with us really, apart from giving some charity to Ukraine + wringing our hands.

The sanctions are already a "collective punishment" on Russia's population anyway, they're not just aimed at the regime. The desire is to strangle the whole Russian economy + make it hard to rearm and rebuild for more military adventures to the West (probably involving some EU/NATO member states next time if opportunity knocks for Putin or successor).

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