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GAA need to step up

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  • I can't wait for the day that adults here don't scan children's names to determine their family religion and / or political view. It's really warped. In defence of downcow this would have been normal NI behaviour over the last 50 or more years. But that doesn't mean we have to keep doing it dc .... it's not normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    regarding signpost there does not need to be binary outcome. a signpost can say Derry/Londonderry. for the 75% who call it Derry why do they need for the londonderry to be taken out? makes no difference to them if it is on the post. But by insisting that it is taken out is dominance and using democracy as excuse for this dominance. Dito with bilingual signs where a minority are in favour of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,804 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody is looking for a vote on it. But if there was it would be the democratic process not ‘domination’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Is you giving out about Londonderry being on the sign not exactly want Downcow is doing with Irish being on the sign outside the orangeman hall?

    The name of the city is a bone of contention for Nationalists and Unionists - equality should mean both names be on it, then neither side can say they won or lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,804 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I’m not giving out about the name at all.

    I call it Derry, what others want to call it is fine by me.

    I was talking about the notion that democracy is no good if Unionists might lose a vote on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Heres what i am up against. that was a genuine attempt to use what i understood was an affectionate name for Croke Park. As for trawling - thats been done to death



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    that is exactly the reason i raised it ie to try and demonstrate to beligerent republicans that they are being hypocritical



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    so you are ok about adding the official Londonderry name on any occasions the city is mentioned on signage, rte news, etc in the south?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    "Downcow clicks on east Belfast followers and sees the first page only, consisting of about 20 adult followiers could not identify one single name that would be traditionally associated with unionists in east Belfast and saw Irish tricolours, Bloody Sunday, etc"


    "This is the poster who in his last post was accusing me of trawling through east Belfast GAA Twitter account (which I absolutely have not done - I have zero interest)"


    From the same poster. 2 (TWO) minutes between posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Why should we need to though? Every town and village in Ireland is signposted in English which isn't the "native" language. Is that not the equivalent of having signs in Irish amongst Unionists by your logic?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I see no contradiction. I did not click on or look at the comments of any of the posters. Tbh I didn’t need to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Yes it is. Again that is the purpose of m question. I think there is no need for either.

    this ‘native’ language thing is a bit questionable. What are you suggesting?

    when does a language achieve native status and does that give it special rights?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    This is excellent thread on the GAA. Articulately saying what I try to say clumsily. Have a wee read at the short thread of tweets on the GAA.

    here’s one tweet from the thread which will upset some here because it is measured and not extreme. But read them all. Don’t stop on this one. open the thread up

    and this is great and very honest and nuanced




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    This guy puts me to shame for his nuanced, fair and moderate approach. I am interested do you guys find his statements credible or enlightening?

    here he is on twelfth and GAA




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,804 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I couldn't care less, we'd even spell it correctly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,804 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What Richard seems blissfully unaware of is the OO is constitutionally sectarian.

    Once you join you endorse that.

    That is the issue with the OO and there is no comparison.

    Also, if you wrongly believe the IRA's purpose was sectarian then you can easily make all sorts of bogus claims about songs about them.

    Certainly it might be offensive to some to sing about them but it's no more sectarian than GSTQ is.

    BTW, Richard can see the bonfire activity like all the rest of us, if he can't 'recognise' why it is seen as a 'hatefest' I despair for him. There is no 'nuance' in KAT signs or the effigies that are burnt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Whats questionable about the "native" status of Irish? Wales, Scotland, and parts of England also have their native, non English languages - and have dual language signs.

    You are lamenting that road signs in NI have got dual language road signs, and that that is an attempt to "stamp out Britishness". But it's DUAL language - it is demonstratedly accomodating British and Irish. Despite your experiences with people you associate with that language, it is Bryson type talk...

    You then try to push it further by saying why don't we have signs saying Londonderry or refer to it as that, which is fine. My point is, you are ignoring our WHOLE COUNTRY already has dual language signs. So do we not overwhelmingly accommodate "Britishness"? Or is that also stamping out Britishness, or Irishness in you logic.

    You chose to point out the one town that we don't name to your tastes, and use that as justification for you not wanting Irish signs, which are in themselves equality.

    Unless you don't want an equal society, which is also your right. But you have seen what type of society that is, and it isn't a happy one. It may have made some people feel good that they dominated and kept the "others" in their place, but the cost of that was enormous, and the actual practical side of living there was much more dangerous and violent.

    Since the drive for equality came in, NI is far better, safer place to live for all its citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    A few days ago you said or implied that the north is not a normal society like the rest if Ireland and UK and that is why it can't have dual signposts without contention. The GAA in the north in your view is sectarian despite it not being so in the south or in Britain.

    Will the north always be an abnormal society in your view? It is 25 years since the GFA and peace. Is it not time for it to move to being normal. Justifications for its abnormalities today like we can't have dual signposts or GAA in east Belfast is keeping it abnormal. A lot of people or now being normalised from being brought up in peace and are ashamed that they live in this backwards society of us and them.

    Post edited by ittakestwo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    To say that the English is on the signs in the south for equality purposes and to accomodate the brits is simply ridiculous.

    the English is on the signs to accommodate the vast majority of Irish, who are not fluent in Irish. To be still blaming the brits for you guys not speaking Irish is a bit weak. You have been running your own country for over 100 years. I am told there are more Irish speakers per head in ni than ni - could anyone confirm? So seems the brits have helped.

    also the huge difference in wales Scotland etc is the there has not been a sectarian armed conflict where one side has used Irish language as a tool in that.

    I think I would be open to the Scottish model in ni - though a serious waste of resources



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    What’s ‘normal’. Yeah we have a legacy of the conflict but those other areas have issues I would prefer we escaped



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭lurleen lumpkin


    Nice tool for applying/checking the status of dual signage in the north.

    https://www.dearg.ie/en/uirlisi/sraideanna



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    https://www.dearg.ie/en/uirlisi/sraideanna/main-street-NMD-34777/request

    Link there for anyone who would like to get dual language signage up on Main Street, Castlewellan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    The ignorance of that speaking Irish and blame comment. And from the lad who says a dual language sign outside his hall equates to "wiping Britishness out of NI" and sees no irony. If your winding me up, fair play!

    Yes- 100 years running Roi and we have been doing a pretty fine job of running it all in all.

    We've made plenty of mistakes, and still are - but we managed to turn Ireland from being a violent, uneducated, third world poverty stricken hellhole that was poorer than most of the UK and Europe, into one of the most affluent and happy countries in the EU, with a GDP per capita far higher than the UK. People are coming here to live, after centuries of mass emigration.

    It's ridiculous how we've come so far. And we aren't stepping on anyone's necks, we aren't sending our soldiers in to plunder, and murder, we aren't oppressing and terrorising populations of people so that we can take their wealth.

    Who's to blame for what's gone wrong in NI the last hundred years do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Normal being a non apartheid society where languages and sports weren't feared etc. Ie "how dare they play their sport in our town". Do you want NI to move on away from this? I think from your posts you want NI to stay like this but maybe you could confirm?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,804 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The truth is they fear equality and integration...right across the board from Arlene Foster to Bryson to downcow. It has to be repudiated and diminished in some way.

    And of course the pretense is always that they support it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,917 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If a bilingual sign said "Londonderry" in English, and "Doire" in Irish, you would still complain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,804 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Flags, anthems, names, none of it bothers me blanch. Change it if you get your rocks off on that stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Here’s a piece worth a read. Hardly a great piece but on the subject of the thread.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,804 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Does the same thing that several posters here do - sets up a spurious connection 'Gael = militant separatist republican' and has a go.

    And this doozzie thrown in there for good measure too:

    'There is overwhelming evidence, in the republic of Ireland, that Citizen Assemblies so called, are nothing more than flags of convenience for the promotion of partisan ideologically driven agendas'

    What a pile of nonsense. The Newsletter really has become a rag.



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