Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

It could all be a clever plan by Trump to grift money.

He took a few documents, nothing of any note, maybe a few letters to the first lady or something.

Mouths out of him that he took 'important' docs. FBI ask for them back, he says no.

Search warrant issued. If nothing of note is found in his possession it's a great play for Donald to come out with.

" Poor me, everybody is against me, I only took a few personal letters"

Please don't misread what I'm trying to say - I think your point of view and mine are actually quite similar.

I'm not trying to minimise the crime of effectively stealing documents from the White House - if anything, I'd hope that anyone committing a crime like this would be prosecuted equally.

But there is also the reality that a search warrant would inevitably become highly politicised. So the justice department would make sure that there is a water tight case, that they have strong, fact based reasons for a search warrant - as opposed to the more cautious way that they used to address the mishandling of documents for the last half year, by negotiating with his lawyers.

There is a reason they stopped negotiating, and there is a reason they made a choice to use a search warrant as a tool to proceed, as opposed to issuing a subpoena.

We can either speculate that the justice department effectively lost patience and started to get more serious about the publicly known, obvious crime of violating the presidential records act - which seems to be your point of view, if I understand correctly. Or my point of view, which is speculating about something possibly more nefarious that triggered the change in strategy of the justice department. We don't have enough information as of now to know which it is, or what else may be going on behind the scenes.

I, for one, have put popcorn on my shopping list, for when more details come out...

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I have no issue with the warrant, I assume that they had very strong probable cause.

I've read some emerging news, that the defendant's lawyers who have a list of the items seized by the FBI don't even show this list to other close associates, much less publicise it - which might be the prudent strategy, if it would in any way exonerate him.

So maybe the content of some of the documents was the trigger to go from negotiating to issuing a search warrant.

When his lawyers returned 15 boxes of documents to the national archives earlier this year, there was a 150 page inventory list of unclassified items, and a much shorter, several page long unclassified list of classified items. Some items not listed on the public classify list, because even listing them is classified, because or the extreme sensitivity.

Not sure about that - the DOJ has zero legal obligation to reveal anything to the press, especially in an ongoing investigation.

We may have to wait till the investigation is over, and maybe till there is an actual indictment, before we get any real information.

There is, of course, a lot of political pressure on the DOJ to explain their actions, but that's entirely disconnected from the legal process.

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They might find a use for that in Kiev if it could be lobbed over the lines...

Maybe CNN got it wrong, and they are not referring to a story from the WSJ, but this new report from Newsweek, which reports just what you describe.

I'd still be cautious about the quality of the information, given that it comes most likely from associates of the person under investigation, who are, at this time, trying to control the narrative.

He said injecting disinfectant. Sodium hypochlorite is a disinfectant. It's also commonly known as bleach.

Right, are you willing to inject any of them into yourself as a cure for covid? Also, hydrogen peroxide is also commonly known as bleach.

this is so exciting!! what has he been charged with?

People have told me - for real - that you really have to dilute the bleach before ingesting it.

Guess it was actually Really Good Advice, widely misunderstood, like so many things he said. Poor guy, so many witch hunts. Many, many witch hunts. More, bigger witch hunts than anybody else. Tremendous witch hunts.

what did he say?