Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458234#Comment_119458234

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458591#Comment_119458591

When Marc Elias — former attorney to the Hillary Clinton campaign, who also oversaw another lawyer indicted for lying about his role in concocting Trump-Russia stories — tells us outright that the “bombshell” angle now is that the charge in question could result in Trump’s automatic disqualification from the 2024 elections, we should all sit up and listen. Joe Biden was quoted in the New York Times saying he wanted his Attorney General Merrick Garland to hurry up and prosecute Trump, but using federal cops to disqualify the current poll leader of your opposition on a documents technicality is pure political weaponisation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458699#Comment_119458699

I'm sorry but Russia Gate is a debunked conspiracy theory. If you still think otherwise then you better call Robert Mueller and give him the intel you have he doesn't.

Leroy42

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ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458692#Comment_119458692

I'm not the one slavishly defending a man who suggested injecting bleach to cure covid.

I asked you to name the safe disinfectant that you were alleging that Trump was talking about but you've continually refused to answer this so I think it's safe to conclude that you know he meant bleach.

Let's move on, shall we.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458581#Comment_119458581

A criminal conviction indeed rules him out from running. There is nothing new in that.

Do you agree that under the law that Trump himself passed, Trump is guilty of an offence? Trump hasn't denied it, and neither have his lawyers. As usual, there is very little actual denial or refutation of the charge but it follows the usual path or whataboutery or attempts to minimise.

That no convictions have arisen previously only adds weight to the assumption that FBI getting so deeply involved this time means that the likelihood of something serious is pretty big.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458735#Comment_119458735

The Biden quote doesn't quite say what you claim though does it?

The quote from the article (from last April btw)you linked says this.

Biden confided to his inner circle that he believed former President Donald Trump was a threat to democracy and should be prosecuted, according to two people familiar with his comments. And while the president has never communicated his frustrations directly to Garland, he has said privately that he wanted Garland to act less like a ponderous judge and more like a prosecutor who is willing to take decisive action over the events of Jan. 6, 2021.

Speaking to reporters Friday, Garland said that he and the career prosecutors working on the case felt only the pressure “to do the right thing,” which meant that they “follow the facts and the law wherever they may lead.”

If you are going to link to a subscriber only article , at least quote the parts you are using in your argument.

All this apparent "Hurry up" pressure and nothing happened for another 4 months??

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458764#Comment_119458764

Except Manafort admitted he was colluding with the Russians and Mueller himself in his report says that he would have prosecuted Trump for Obstruction were he not President.

So a report into confirmed collusion (by the colluder himself) and charges only withheld because of some weird guidelines that you can't charge a sitting President with a crime is a "debunked conspiracy theory" is it?

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458764#Comment_119458764

Except how many people were indicted from the Mueller investigation. Indeed why has Paul Manafort, Trump's 2016 campaign manager, been in the news lately? I'll give you a hint, it's because he admitted he did pass information to the Russians. Nothingburger me hole

spacecoyote

On an entirely unrelated note 🙄, does anyone know how you can add someone to your ignore list if they have a private profile on new Boards?

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459101#Comment_119459101

Go into your profile; you should have a link somewhere for your Ignore List. You can manually add users by their username - rather than via that user's own profile.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459101#Comment_119459101

The option is on your own profile. Just open it and type their name in.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458917#Comment_119458917

More misinformation. People indicted as a result of mueller investigation was nothing to do with Russian collusion. They were financial and tax crimes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458844#Comment_119458844

Manafort was not charged with Russian collusion and the info he allegedly passed onto the Russians was polling data.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459197#Comment_119459197

So what do you define as collaborating with Russian agents if what Paul Manafort l's actions wasn't it?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459197#Comment_119459197

There's no "allegedly" , he admitted in in an interview last week.

What exactly do you think the Russians might have wanted to do with polling data for a US Presidential Election???

How do you think the conversation went?

Manafort - Hi Konstantin , Here's all of our polling data showing where we're doing well and not so well along with all the demographic data.

Kilimnik - Thanks Paul , this will be really helpful for my flower arranging hobby.

Or maybe, just maybe do you think they were getting this info to allow them to better target their absolutely confirmed Social media bot activity to best influence the outcome of the election???????

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459337#Comment_119459337

So you just make up definitions as you go along even though Mueller spent 22 months, 2800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants and interviewed approx. 500 witnesses - your just going to believe the debunked conspiracy theory?

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458844#Comment_119458844

They do prosecute a sitting President.

It is done through impeachment. Trump was prosecuted twice, but because there was a GOP majority in the Senate he was acquitted despite him being shown to be guilty and some Republicans accepted that but would not vote against him because - well he was a Republican President.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459466#Comment_119459466

Trump's team passed voter information to the russians, that is fact as Manfort mentioned, nothing debunked, nothing conspiratorial. Methinks you're just trolling at this stage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459488#Comment_119459488

and yet after 22 months, 2200 subpoenas, 500 search warrants and 500 witness interviews, not a single American citizen has been charged with Russian collusion.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459703#Comment_119459703

What did Manafort admit to last week?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459708#Comment_119459708

Cheating on his wife?

amandstu

I see there is speculation that someone ,presumably close to Trump may have tipped off the FBI so that they knew where to search Mar al Lago

I wonder what kind of a person might that have been.

Someone doing a deal with the Feds as a way of serving a lighter sentence if it comes to that ?

Some genuinely disturbed at what they have seen going on?

A potential witness?

Why did Trump not just hand back the documents when he was rumbled the first time?

Something that seemed vitally important to him to either have or to keep secret?

robinph

It's been known since early in his presidency that he wasn't following the rules with handling of documents. Why anyone is surprised about this is beyond me.

Unicorn Milk Latte

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459978#Comment_119459978

I don't think anyone is surprised about any possible misconduct.

The thing that is surprising is that a rich, influential, well connected person is possibly being investigated in any serious fashion.

Just imagine what would happen to a financially poor black person, if he stole a single top secret document from the White House. Not only would his house be raided immediately - no 'negotiations with his lawyers' - he would be, at best, arrested and incarcerated right away, and, at worst, shot on sight for resisting arrest.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119459978#Comment_119459978

He is no longer president and has no business keeping documents now that he is just a citizen.

He was asked to return them and may have been dishonest in his response.

It is his own fault if there is anything extraneous that turns up in the search.

In his case as likely as not.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/pro-trump-apparel-company-agrees-to-pay-over-200k-fine-for-ripping-out-made-in-china-tags-and-replacing-them-with-made-in-usa-tags/

Like father, like son.

pixelburp

I vaguely recall it said it was the hippies of the 60s that started this culture of wearing the Stars and Stripes - but it was as an intentional desecration of something to be taken seriously, respected. Counter culture n all that jazz. Funny how things spin full circle where "patriots" now cover everything with the flag in as tacky a way as possible, all in an attempt to affect a love for your country.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119460481#Comment_119460481

Enough people do something (new or conventional) then that becomes a sub culture for the duration.

Trump's people seem to be stand out sheeples alright,with a few dominant manipulators with their fingers in the wind.

I remember working out during the hippy fashion that it was just a new uniform (I was guilty too)

aloyisious

Merrick Garland has gone on TV to state that he was the person who approved the raid on Trump's home, and he will be making public the details of the warrant. He also said he stands 100 percent behind the FBI and would not ask them to do something he would not do himself.

Brian?

Jesus wept. This again.

“Russian collusion” isn’t a crime you can be prosecuted of. Manafort was convicted crimes that relate to working with the Russian government