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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I assume people mean in total (back in June means when it was claimed, not that it was just for that month), but I'm not finding anything to support that either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Who can possibly know the number of casualties on either side: killed, wounded or missing/ fled. The Ukrainians or Russians likely wouldn't know. So you'd have to think that any estimates from outside are just that and could all be part of propaganda fed from either side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,593 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If it's for the entire war, it sounds rather much on the high side (you could certainly imagine it might be true of the attacking forces, the Russians).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭thomil


    From the briefing, you do get that impression. However, there are several large caveats with that. For starters, it's the age of the video. It's over a month old at this point and that is an eternity in the current war. It does not take into consideration the ongoing HIMARS and M270 rollout, and neither does it take into consideration the recent delivery of MARS-II MLRS and additional Pzh-2000 from Germany and the Netherlands, which now allows Ukraine to field a full artillery battalion just out of the MARS-II and Pzh-2000 vehicles. Also, Colonel Reisner is not going to be publicly disclosing any information that Austria may have acquired through clandestine means.

    It also looks now as if Ukraine was able to pull a surprising number of units out of Severodonetsk and conduct an effective retreat from Lysychansk without sacrificing large numbers of troops, which speaks to the skill of the battlefield commanders. A coordinated retreat in the middle of battle is pretty much the most complex maneuver that a battlefield commander can be faced with. Whilst losses are still likely going to be high, I do not assess the situation to be as grim as it may appear to be from this video.

    There's also the resupply issue. Granted, Russia has massive equipment reserves that they can pull from. But the quality of that equipment is questionable in many cases, and includes T-64s and even some T-60s, tanks from the 1960s. There has also been an increase in the number of documented equipment malfunctions on the Russian side, from missiles that veer off course almost immediately after launch, to artillery guns bursting and other failures, indicating storage and/or maintenance issues. Also, Russia is, according to numerous reports, increasingly reliant on mercenary groups like Wagner, and has recently resorted to recruiting from jails, as well as continuing to bring in reserve units from every corner of Russia except the heartland. Many of these are conscript units without much in the way of military training, whilst others are made up of retirement age veterans pulled back into service. It says quite a bit that Russia hasn't been able to make much progress in breaching the Slovyansk-Bakhmut defensive line despite their success in the Battle for Donbas.

    Russia has also not been able to assert air superiority over Ukraine. The Ukrainian Air Force is still operating at what seems to be close to its pre-war strength, conducting strikes, combat air patrols and other similar missions. Colonel Reisner is correct in pointing out the number of missiles that have so far been launched at Ukraine. However, many of these were launched from bombers that were still in Russian or Belorussian airspace at the time of launch. There's no indication that the Russian Air Force has been able or willing to conduct operations beyond the immediate front lines or in the Ukrainian rear. Given the demonstrated blatant disregard for civilian casualties, we should have seen massed attacks with free-fall bombs at this stage, but there's nothing.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine continues to be able to cycle units back from the front line for reinforcement, R&R and passing their experience on to new units being stood up, giving even newly formed reserve units a qualitative edge over their Russian counterparts. Ukraine also continues to receive high-quality equipment from its western allies, with the number of armored vehicles, MRAPs, MRLS & HIMARS systems seemingly increasing on a weekly basis, whilst highly advanced systems such as NASAMS and IRIS-T SLM are in the pipeline. Ukraine has also proven very adept at converting commercially available UAVs into weapons systems, with multicopters of all shapes and sizes being effectively used as ultra-compact UCAVs. Morale continues to be seemingly high across the armed forces as well.

    Ukraine also appears to have the edge in intelligence. A frequent talking point on this thread is the presence of NATO EW, ELINT and SIGINT assets right outside Ukrainian airspace, whether that's US EP-3 "Aries" or Global Hawk, Royal Air Force Airseeker R.1, Italian or Swedish assets. It is safe to assume that the information gathered by these systems, as well as that gathered by NATO orbital and HUMINT assets, flows straight into Ukrainian high command, after being sanitised, of course. Ukraine itself appears to be dominating in the electronic battlespace, a fact helped by the fact that the Russian forces still seem to have to rely on mobile phones and commercially available radios for a lot of their tactical communication.

    It'll be interesting to see how Colonel Reisner's next briefing is going to look like. I do like that he takes a somewhat "dimmer" approach than many posters on here, me included, as that gives a much needed reality check. However, given how fast things are evolving in the combat area, a lot can happen in a month.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    The video is not only a month old but in it he constantly refers back to events two weeks before the video was released

    Russia made no gains in a month



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭firemansam4



    With all the furore of events happening in Crimea yesterday, this little bit of news didn't make as much headlines.

    I do wonder if their is any major offensive to take back Kherson, how much locals and partisans may be able to help and effect the outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker


    I would imagine that if it was special forces on a specific mission, then they'd have known exactly where to place their explosives to get the most...er...bang for their bomb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    If it is claimed by Ukraine it is rather cheeky but a very strong reminder to Russia that nowhere is safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭thomil


    Well, to be fair, the Ukrainians are operating in their own backyard. They probably had detailed plans of the base from the time it was one of theirs, as well as the best satellite images that NATO could provide. Plus, operational security doesn't seem to have been particularly tight at the base, those ammo dumps were mostly out in the open and it looks like nearby aircraft were fueled and armed in preparation for upcoming sorties.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭zv2


    This is how it happens

    ThreeRussians.jpg


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Russian media showed the aftermath of precise Ukrainian HIMARS strikes on the Kakhovka Dam, Kherson Oblast - and revealed destroyed Russian military equipment placed there, including a valuable R-439-MD2 satcom vehicle and 5 KAMAZ-based vehicles

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Compare the damage to Yelenokova attack the Russian claim came from Ukrainan HiMars



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Possibly another bridge under attack,but not confirmed yet

    Chongar bridge Crimea/Kherson




  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ukrainians under constant artillery attack,but doesnt want to become Kremlins slaves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭zv2


    Whether the "Kherson offensive" of the Ukrainian troops will come now remains to be seen. Recently, some Ukrainian representatives of all people declared that they did not actually have enough capacity for this and that the offensive could only start in spring 2023.


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    even if the figures are true, they are BROADLY similar. So, “mighty” Russia is losing 10s of thousands of soldiers against a well armed, but still the poorest country in aEutooe.


    The Ukrainians HAVE to fight. It’s potentially die fighting or be raped, watch your mother and children raped … and then die.

    I don’t see Ukraine surrendering to the human Orcs. Fuk all those that call for Ukrainian capitulation.

    Everything is relative, to my eye it’s very grim for the Ivans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,566 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Per Wastberg, who co-founded the Swedish branch of Amnesty International, resigned from the organization on Wednesday. The Swedish activist said his departure was due to Amnesty’s report about the conflict in Ukraine, and that the organization has gone beyond its original mandate to advocate for political prisoners.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭zv2


    A second-rate actor goes to Ukraine in search of truth. What a clown. His arrogance is sickening.

    G 🇺🇦 on Twitter: "Holy sh** Steven Segal made an appearance can't even believe it." / Twitter

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,593 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That sounds very plausible (and it also suggests that the figure of 30k-40k Russian dead might also be accurate).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭rogber


    I get all that. I don't mean they need to say HOW they did it, merely confirm THAT they did it.

    Which it seems they now have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Add at least another 70,000 Russian injured and incapacitated on top of that figure, that's a sizeable figure considering they invaded with 150,000 ,

    And the Ukrainians are pushing back on a daily basis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭rogber


    10,000 in mid June (when article was published), there's been a lot of very intensive fighting since then, figure surely a lot higher now. I also suspect it was higher than 10,000 back then (Ukraine has vastly inflated number of Russian dead since the start, logically it would downplay its own losses too, though obviously not to the degree Russia does)

    And is there any even remotely accurate figure for official dead and missing Ukrainian non combatants, or amidst all refugees as well it's impossible to even guess? The occasional official numbers I've seen strike me as implausibly low given the apocalyptic scenes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,566 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    South Park are going to have a lot of fun with this.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,566 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russia lied!

    Cigarettes cant do that!!! It must have been cigars!!!!

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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