Random EV thoughts.....

Eh? The Ioniq was our only car at the time, family of 5. The year before I did consider the Leaf. The range was a very limiting factor but the looks proved its fatal flaw and it was vetoed 😂 didn't buy it. Was a decent buy though for €19k.

I’m only getting 10.1l/100km out of our C Max, what year is the smax? What l/100km is it getting . Which is seen little use since we got the Ev.

Thats very uneconomical, only 28mpg old money! The smax is 2017 and I'm getting approx 6.6l/100km over last 10k km

Next time you're in a car park outside of Dublin and the GDA, look how many cars and vans have towbars. Of those, look how many are obviously dirty from use. I'd wager it's a large proportion.

I know a lot of folks that posted online they bought an outlander PHEV instead of a full EV due to towing requirements.

i think the point is a very small overall percentage of people need towbars and a very small overall percentage of people need a range of over 300km, but that doesnt stop people using these as reasons not to buy an ev,

there is also them versus us element down the country about it, i wont be told by some green party gombeen that i cant drive my diesel, ill drive diesel til the bitter end (thats verbatim from a post on facebook).

Before anyone has a go at me im from outside the pale myself 😁

Problem with the WLTP is that it only touches 120km/h briefly and I think only once. So yes if you do a bit of mixed driving without motorway, the WLTP can be quite accurate, you might get a bit more in summer and a bit less in winter

But throw any sustained driving at 120km/h in the mix and the real range of the car will be far less than the WLTP range. Bad / cold weather and poor aerodynamics of some cars make it even worse again.

WLTP in theory matches the general pattern of utilisation for cars on the road, but isn't really useful if one is looking for a long range vehicle. Long range is generally only an issue when travelling longer distances which are usually at motorway speed.

In the UK, there used to be 3 official fuel economy figures for each car (urban, 56mph,75mph) which if reintroduced for EVs would give a better idea of what range could be expected at motorway speeds.

My model X WLTP is 330km but it wont do 200km at 120km/h in winter.

Same for Ioniq28. WLTP is ~250km but it won't do 160km at 120km/h in winter.

WLTP is not accurate for motorway driving and also for winter driving. You can get the range if you keep below 100km/h, it's more achievable than NEDC but still not great. I usually would use WLTP*60% as the "real world" range.

About 2/3 of Ireland live in urban environment. For the large majority of these folk, trailers and extensive range are not required.

Being an urbanite myself, apart from work I have literally never towed a trailer (and similarly my peer group). I also only ever need long range when explicitly traveling for holidays etc. Otherwise it's <50km on the average day.

While I would agree 100% with this statement there are other considerations about these cars that need to be taken into account as why someone might not go EV. I've a deposit down on an N-line Tucson PHEV, I would say it was probably not even something I'd considered until I actually went about speaking to dealers. Had my heart more or less set on ID4 GTX or Business/Family spec (I think that's what they were called when I looked initially but the specs all seem to have changed) but was told that 1. I wouldn't be getting one in 2022 and might not get it until summer 2023 even. 2. what trade in value they gave me wouldn't be honoured beyond a few weeks. Similar conversations with Skoda dealers for the Enyaq. I don't like the Ioniq5 and my wife didn't like the EV6 so we were basically out of options for an EV that met our needs and budget. I'd imagine many, many others have been in the same boat as me and 'settled' for an ICE of some sort. The other thing is my N-line is coming in around 50k, a Sportline Kodiaq and R-Line Tiguan were around 55kish while all of the equivalent spec EVs(lower spec in many cases too) were 60k minus the grant so even with the grant it would cost me more money to get into a lower spec car than the Tucson. If I wasn't picky I could have got a decent spec Tucson for 45kish or lower again if I went manual. The other cars you mention like corolla and Sportage can be got cheaper again. That makes it an easy decision for anyone looking to change car this year or January 2023 for a lot of people especially when likes of ID4 and Ioniq5 have had price increases. My plan is to keep the Tucson until such a time as I can get an equivalent spec EV for the same price more or less and not have to deal with delays/revalued trade ins etc.

I'm not sure I'd use towbars as a metric, I've seen plenty of cars with towbars that I know never towed anything.

I think some people got them fitted just in case and never needed them

They're also a great deterrent to tail gating, someone sees that on the car in front and they know their front end is guaranteed to be messed up in a crash

Nonetheless, there's more EVs coming out now that can tow right up to the limit without an EB license, so even that isn't something to stop people going electric

As for range impact, well you aren't supposed to go over 80km/h when towing, so the range impact is fairly minimal compared to motorway speeds

So if you're getting a big range hit you're either going up a mountain or probably doing something illegal 😉

They did (they being one of the German YouTube channels)

Unfortunately I can't find the video now, but I'll see how good my memory is

It was a winter test of towing on the autobahn using an ID.4, so not exactly ideal conditions

They did a couple of different trailers, a flat trailer and a tall box trailer that stuck out above the car

I think they did a loaded and unloaded test as well

As I recall the flat trailer basically had no impact to range at 80km/h when unloaded. The big box trailer basically caused the consumption at 80km/h to be the same as the consumption at 120km/h without a trailer

Can't remember what the impact from the loaded trailer was, I vaguely remember it wasn't that dramatic maybe a 10% increase in consumption.

It seemed that trailer aerodynamics were more important than weight, at least on the flat

Again a small enough cohort , and the vast majority of 7 seater suvs are suitable with the back seats only for very young kids, I’m sure the segment will be filled soon enough in any event

Is that corolla an automatic? If not, then you are not comparing like for like (well as much as possible)