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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Shur if I was in a public cemetery they'd probably be dealing with degenerates vandalising it constantly..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,734 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've read Mary Trump's book. This won't have been a problem.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Given we're talking about Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka, I don't think in this case the apple would have strayed far from the tree. Scumbags the lot, in ascending order of ostensible intelligence (resting & equal levels of empathy). The psychopathy in that family would be vulgar and cartoonish if it was from a TV series' script.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,196 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Yes, any and all exemptions or benefits from it being a cemetery only apply to the precise land that the cemetery is on.

    Quote from the Mail on line (sorry)

    The break applies as long as the plot of land is less than 10 acres. The designated land at Bedminster is 1.5 acres, meaning any tax exemption wouldn't apply to the entirety of the golf club.

    Trump previously designated the plot as a farm to benefit from further tax breaks, as it produced mulch used for gardening.  

    The full law on taxation and cemeteries reads: 'Graveyards and burial grounds used or intended to be used for the interment of bodies of the dead or the ashes thereof not exceeding ten acres of ground, and cemeteries and buildings for cemetery use erected thereon, and all mausoleums, vaults, crypts or structures intended to hold or contain the bodies of the dead or the ashes thereof, and solely devoted to or held for that purpose shall be exempt from taxation under this chapter. 




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It seems Trump may be visiting his Doonbeg golf course in Ireland for a few days around 25 Aug. Mention has been made of the course hosting a round of the LIV tour. Looking at the news that the Irish Govt is looking at getting sports bodies to provide accommodation for Ukrainian refugees from Russia's war and mention that golf clubs may be on the list, I hope that Trump's club is not on the list of golf clubs getting taxpaid subsistence extra to whatever cost his visit will cause to both the Irish and US taxpayers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,382 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    I hope its full of them at the set rate other hotels are getting



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Eric is the name of the Missouri GOP candidate Trump has given his support to in the 2022 senate elections. It's not his son though, it's either Eric Schmitt, the state AG or Eric Greitens, the Ex-Gov or Eric McElroy. The support message didn't include the surname of the chosen one though.

    Schmitt tweeted "I'm honoured to receive President Trump's endorsement. From the beginning, I’ve been the true MAGA Champion fighting against the RINO establishment backing Schmitt. President Trump said it best when he characterized Schmitt’s campaign as ‘great dishonesty in politics.’"

    You've got to give it to Trump, he really enjoys respect from GOP politicians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I don't think Trump would allow them play on the course though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Eric Schmitt won the GOP candidature for the Senate race as the GOP favourite & Trump buddy over the disgraced Eric Greitens. He'll face a democrat and an independent later this year.

    One item Kansas state [the next-door state] voters were to decide on is an [Value Them Both] amendment to change the state constitution and overturn a state supreme court 2019 ruling allowing abortion in the state. The amendment was lost by an approx 20% majority vote and abortion rights were preserved in the state constitution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭amandstu


    So Trump endorsed candidates did well in the primaries?

    Is that good news or bad for the Dems in a purely upcoming electoral sense ,would you say?


    Is the current seeming anti abortion- ban sentiment likely to have a big part to play?


    Might it jeopardise a GOP takeover of the Houses?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Bit of a mixed bag really.

    Some of the people winning the GOP primaries are pretty out there especially in Arizona, which may be good news for the Democrats in November but maybe a bit early.

    Not sure of the Mid-term significance of the Kansas abortion legislation result though.

    Clearly quite a few GOP voters voted against the bill thereby protecting Abortion rights , but very hard to know if that translates to any shift in voting intentions for November.

    One good thing though would appear to be the turn-out levels - They got far more votes cast for this issue in Kansas than they expected and increased turnout is good for the Democrats as a general rule.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    In Missouri at least, there's a chance that Trump may have been a factor in the nomination as Eric Schmitt seems to believe in Trump and the GOP MAGA.

    I cant answer Q2 - is it good or bad news for the Dems - as it's unclear [for now] who will control the senate and house candidates for the GOP later this year or whether sanity will return to the GOP from it's present state of un-normality.

    YES: The anti-abortion people will push and threaten candidates and the party [which says it likes righteous people] to get their way of blocking other people having abortion rights set in law.

    Ref abortion, it may that those mostly concerned [females] with the loss of rights in the state constitutions may have woke-n up and decided to use their votes to their advantage and not to the advantage of people who want to deprive people of their rights in law.

    Hopefully so. If women and their friends seriously believe in the right to abortion [and other rights OK'd by USSC mandate to the present] being written into/under State or other law have really woke up to what the GOP fellow-kind plan to deprive them of in the near future, they will turn out en masse on voting day and get their retaliation in first, having learned to use their vote for themselves and not for a freeloader like Trump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I realize I am going a bit off topic but can any State organize a referendum along the lines of Kansas so as to validate the majority who oppose any outright (or quasi outright) ban on abortion?


    And can they hold a referendum as to cruel and unusual punishments for those Supreme Court Judges who brought about this mess?/sarc



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,025 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Schmidt getting the nomination is good news for the GOP as the alternative Eric Greitens was very dodgy, stories of domestic abuse and the likes of Hawley came out strongly against him. Schmidt is MAGA but not as corny as some of the bootlickers and tbf in MO its not a bad play.

    I seen a tweet the other day saying their are 3 parties in Kansas, the dems, social conservatives, and pro choice conservatives.

    I don't expect all those voted no last night to vote Dem but its a wake up call for the GOP that they are going to have stare down the noisy activists because when it comes to abortion the harsher you go unless its a really red state you are in bother.

    Arizona was a weird one for the GOP, a very weak candidate for governor Lake won but the turnout was really good. Swings and roundabouts.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Short answer is yes , but the requirements to get one on the ballot varies from place to place.

    In Kansas the amendment (to remove Abortion rights) only got on the ballot because the GOP had super majorities in both State houses so they were able to push it through.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭amandstu


    So does it look like only a very few States will be able to "succeed" where Kansas failed-and can the pro-choice movement live with such a States-wide result?


    Would that take the heat out of the issue except in those very few States?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well.. The problem is that a lot of States already have really restrictive laws on their books which were only being held in check by Roe vs. Wade at the Federal level so now that's gone the restrictions are live and in place.

    Kansas was slightly unique in that it had explicit protections for Abortion rights in the State constitution which the GOP tried (and resoundingly failed) to overturn. Not sure how many other States have that in their constitutions or if a GOP controlled legislature would even try to change the constitution of their State , especially now that they've seen the result in Kansas.

    I think the next big challenge legally speaking will be if a State tries to prosecute someone for going to another State for Abortion services.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Not possible to organize a referendum with enough signatures to overturn some egregious restrictions on abortion ? (in any State blue or red )



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A quick google gives this link , which lists out the process for a Constitutional amendment in each State.

    A quick read would suggest that most seem to have a process for a voter driven request for a Constitutional amendment , but some don't.

    For example in Arkansas you have this

    To successfully qualify a constitutional amendment for the ballot through an initiative petition, signatures from registered voters equal to 10 percent of the votes cast in the last gubernatorial election must be collected. From 2008 through 2018, this signature requirement ranged between 77,468 and 84,859 signatures.

    Like everything in the US , it varies massively State by State and some States have incredibly convoluted and complex processes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'd hazard a guess that states minded to ban the provision of abortion services at state and private medical service level will have sat up on notice of the Kansas amendment failure and introduce catch-22 clauses for the moment when anyone tries to move against a state ban on abortion.

    It's worth recalling that the move to successfully block the provision of abortion services didn't start with the present USSC bench but with state authorities giving new health and safety building requirements to long existing clinics to successfully force closure of the clinics in the past 4 or so years.



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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good to see the outcome of the Alex Jones case, and what will appear if the data is handed over to the Jan 6th investigation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Unfortunately he saw the train coming down the tracks and put his company into administration last week in an apparent attempt to avoid paying restitution to both his living and dead victims. If he or his lawyer used his public statements as defence testimony while knowing it to be false, it'd be good if years in jail is the result.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Done as a potential way to delay other trials.

    The data that his lawyer accidentally handed over may have left him open to investigation about that too.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,430 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Is that not fraudulent? If he had the money to pay the compensation, then trying to avoid it would, I think, be contested.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He tried it already using the "bankruptcy" of another of his shell companies to try and get out of paying - Not sure if it was this case or the one in New England.

    But that was shot down instantly by the courts , I'd expect the same to happen here.

    He's also going to get hit with the punitive damages later today as well - Which can be up to 10 times the compensatory amount - So he could get hit for up to $40m on top.

    His complete and utter destruction would be no more than he deserves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Anyone online today from the US side of the Atlantic to say if this is still in play or just a Silly Season story? I'm reading two articles in the NYT concerning Wisconsin that: A. Wisconsin GOP voters want the 2020 election result [presumably from that state] decertified so that Trump can be declared to be [still] the President AND that the only reason it hasn't happened is that Wisconsin's GOP speaker of the house, Robin Vos, doesn't want to do so. It's possible that the Vos part of the storyline is dated but some of Wisconsin's GOP state legislature members are still pushing for it to happen.

    One other report in the NYT is that 4 GOP state legislatures are still using electoral map that their own state supreme courts declared were illegal gerrymandering maps. According to the report, this continued usage is down to a shift in electoral law philosophy at the USSC giving the GOP an electoral advantage in Nov 2022. The NYT is on pay for use basis so I don't know the names of the 4 states.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The FBI executed a search warrant at Trump's Mar-A-Lago residence yesterday. It's factual that the FBI and a prosecutor would have to give reasonable evidence to a federal judge to get the search warrant, especially when it came to whom the warrant concerned. Trump, who was not at home, has said they broke into his safe at his residence, calls it political persecution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,871 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Of course he does. That's what people with something to hide usually say.

    Merrick Garland has been criticised for many months for perceived inaction. In fact, during all that time, he may have been putting together a highly focused, highly effective and leak free investigation, which is feeding the Jan 6th Cmttee evidence into the mix.

    And if the time has arrived to begin executing search warrants and making arrests, with a view to federal charges of the utmost seriousness, there should be quite a few Trump acolytes filling their pants tonight, including his family.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The level of "Probable cause" that they would have been expected to show to get a warrant to search the home of a former President would have to be off the charts.

    Someone is in very very deep trouble.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And one would speculate Trump is exactly the kind of idiot who'd keep his dirty laundry in a safe; probably a file marked Top Secret.

    As said already, you don't get a warrant to search the home of an ex-President on a whim. Suddenly things have become very serious - let's see how far Fox News and the GOP apparatus go to bat for Trump.



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