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Should the Parkland Shooter Die?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭j2


    I think anyone who commits one of these mass shootings should be executed. If anyone should be executed it's these guys, they killed a bunch of people and there is zero doubt as to their guilt. Can you imagine losing a friend or family member in one of these mass shootings? Doesn't bear thinking about.





  • Being executed is not really paying for his crimes.

    Spending the rest of his life, 23 hours per day in a jail cell staring at the wall is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭j2


    I'd rather be alive in prison than executed. They can read books and work out or whatever in prison, or occasionally have a really good night's sleep or a relaxing shower provided they ain't getting raped. They get used to it and could probably have relatively decent moments here and there once they come to terms with the situation. Shoot them dead instead, and that rhymes too.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    All the warning signs were there but were not addressed. He pulled the trigger but at the end of the day there are far more people out there who played a part in the lead up to this event.

    I think life in prison is justified given the impressive number of kills. Executing him won’t prevent this from happening again. This wasn’t a cold blooded killer but a kid that has serious issues and totally lost control. It’a sad how frequently they fall through the cracks and how nothing is ever learned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    I don't agree with mass shootings, I can understand the killers mindsets of deep misanthropy but it isn't the right way of going about things. If you carry out an attack you are giving society the right to abuse you and demonise you, they have a free ticket to do. You also ruin your reputation and your family reputation for eternity.

    In incel forums they glorify mass shootings but I think it is mainly just edgy online speak. There isn't much chance of them actually going out and doing it themselves. The most famous shooter is Elliot Rodger whose attack actually failed. He planned to kill loads of white women yet ended up stabbing a few Asian males. The reason is the sorority house he planned to shoot up was locked. Imagine that level of failed planning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Every now and then one of those lads will get into a tear and actually start shooting fellas. Those incel forums are bad news, reading them too much won't do your own mind any good either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Munstergirl854


    Death penalty all day long.Im not a soft person but I've followed bits of the trial and the testimony from the families is gut wrenching.

    14 year old girls with nothing but their bare hands to protect them against a weapon that will tear their insides to shreds.And most of those kids didnt die instantly.

    His own public defenders have cried and the jury supposedly had a hard time watching the CCTV of the actual killings.

    For the damage he has done,he should die.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kailyn Jolly Jet


    "Murder is the most heinous of crimes. Murderers have no place in a civilised society."

    "Your punishment? Oh, we're going to execute you."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,354 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Typical pinko response.

    I was reading recently about child killer John Wayne Gacy. A particularly monstrous manifestation of evil was that guy and certainly a person who deserved to be put to death, but it took 14 years on death row and many other guards and inmates wounded by him in attacks he carried out while in prison.

    Now, evil is a subjective status. Are people truly evil, or are acts that are judged to be" evil" simply a demonstration of very serious mental illness and Cluster B personality disorders?

    Personally, I don't care about that distinction. Any person who will indiscriminately take the lives of multiple innocents, irrespective of their motivation, should simply be ended.

    Why would anyone want to pay millions to keep such a creature locked up for 30 or 40 years, with zero prospect of release. Of what value is that waste of oxygen?

    The Parkland killer, as with all other mass shooters, once convicted, should be put against a wall and their lives ended by firing squad.

    Such parallels offer no consolation to bereaved families, I'm sure, but the debate about lethal injections and the theatre of electric chairs are all left to one side when all you need is a yard wall, a blindfold and five marksmen with rifles.

    Some people truly do not deserve to live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I just don't believe in the death penalty so never. You have to hire a person to kill another person so what becomes of that person?

    It is the same where people go on about prisons should be brutal and torture through action and inaction serves the person right. You need to hire sadomasochists to let a place run like that and then let these people walk around society.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭I Blame Sheeple


    Actually, the exact opposite would be the effect. They go to prison and they get fan mail, dedicated forums on incel enclaves, tribute posters/music/memes. They are, in effect, glorified until their release or you could just execute them and move on. Lots of kids do this to be ''seen'' because they're invisible before it. Make them invisible again by putting them in the ground, not propping them up on a pedestal.

    It will leave the community of folks that love this crap nobody to correspond with, nobody to lovingly protest for and use as a symbol for their backwards incel mindset. I agree that to punish murder with murder may send the wrong message but the alternative will only make more shooters.

    Nothing about this is ''impressive'' at all by the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Ah excellent. The experts are back and throwing wild diagnoses around again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Execution is not a power any country should have.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Personally if my family were killed in the attack I'd prefer he were just executed. Some posters spoke of him deserving punishment and sure enough yeh but there's no guarantee he will hate living in a prison (any more than he clearly hated living in normal society in order to do this), and also his suffering will bring no comfort to me personally in the face of the loss of my family. Knowing he's gone from the earth would allow me to move on and forget he existed. I think if he remained alive , my hatred for him would also. Also the thought of him outliving me and my daughter/son who he murdered would also disturb me for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    No different to cancer, this lad needs to be cut out from society. It's not about punishment it's about eradication.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I'm in two minds.

    Here's my rational mind.

    1. I'm not against the death penalty per se.
    2. I'm not in favour of executing people who are mentally ill.
    3. Is he mentally ill? If so, don't execute him. If he's not mentally ill, execute him.


    Here's my irrational/emotional mind.

    1. I'm not against the death penalty per se.
    2. If he killed any of my firends or family, I'd want the fcuker executed pronto.
    3. Who cares if he's mentally ill, he killed my family/friend, execute him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I've you've got two minds you might be mentally ill.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,263 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Kill him because killing is wrong?

    There's a timeline on a page made by the parents of one of his victims makes interesting reading, in terms of warning signs missed/ignored.

    https://www.schentrup.com/msd-tragedy-timeline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,560 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Maybe he should die but I wouldn't kill him in cold blood myself and don't expect the society I live in to devise a system to do it on my behalf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,249 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    From that timeline this kid was seriously damaged and needed to be taken into full time care for everyones sake.


    "It's not about punishment it's about eradication"

    Killing the attacker doesnt really do anything to eradicate the problem. These people are not well, they are not logically thinking about the aftermath of their actions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    Life in jail where he will have a limited chance to harm anybody else should do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That goes both ways... Anyway even professional psychology involves a lot of vagueness, assumptions and inaccuracies.

    He's still a threat to others within the prison system, and as the anti-capital punishment crowd are so fond of pointing out, other criminals might be innocent, therefore he's a risk to those possible innocents.

    And if the lobbying/appeals processes work, and he returns to society? After tricking people into thinking he's "reformed"?

    Nah. Execute him. Remove the chance completely for any further harm from someone like him.

    It won't do anything to stop others from doing what he did.. but it will remove one nutjob from society. That's worth doing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Are there people that DO agree with mass shootings? I would have thought not agreeing with them was the presumed baseline for any conversation on the topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,249 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    that did stand out to me as a particularly bizarre way of phrasing that sentence...



  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    anyone owning guns should be locked up in a looney bins still cant wrap my head around americans aloud to own guns should be banned immediately and if you try to hold on to them then its off to jail or the nuthouse with you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    🙄 🙄 🙄

    So you'd lock up every farmer who has a shotgun and throw them into a looney bin eh? And every hunter, target shooter and Olympic athlete who takes part in any event using a gun?

    Very logical approach and not at all a nonsensical thing to suggest.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's wishful thinking to believe that Americans would allow their guns to be taken away from them. I know Americans who own upwards of 15-20 firearms, and they've stated they (and their families) would resist any attempt to take their rights away.. considering the range of associations and clubs for gun owners, any serious attempt to ban or remove those guns would likely result in major conflicts.

    It's also worth remembering just how much of a military nation the US is... It's unrealistic to expect the US to completely or successfully ban firearm ownership. Not going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Here's the gun confiscation unit after 2 minutes on the job. 😀




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,738 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


     relaxing shower provided they ain't getting raped

    👀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    For me I've always felt that if they saw the error of their ways and then had to spend a lifetime in prison with their gut wrenching agony of what they did, it would be a far better punishment.

    A lot of these guys will see themselves as justified in what they did until they die. They will see themselves as martyrs and so will their followers (if they have any). Slap them in a maximum security prison and try to rehabilitate them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    My issue with that though is that it is an extremely expensive thing to do. Every bit of tax I pay in my lifetime would not house 1 person in a max security prison for the duration of a life sentence. I would rather that money be used on projects that help people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,249 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    For that reason I think we go back to something like chain gangs.

    Society should be getting something back from prisoners, shouldnt just be an expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    My biggest issue with the death penalty is that the wrong person could be executed. If you give me a hypothetical and say A person who we KNOW did something, then I'm actually kinda ok with it. I do think that we should rehabilitate them but I wouldn't mourn them if they died.

    Something as Irish people we should remember is that if the Birmingham 5 or Guildford 4 had been tried in the US, they'd probably have been executed. And they were tried, in a front of a jury of their peers, and found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury was wrong, but they were certain they were right. And if they were Americans, they would have killed the defendants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone



    HERE'S A MAD RANT FOR YOU

    Kill enough attacker's and you might have less people willing to attack. There was a time when people were considered inherently evil, obviously put them through an MRI scan after their deed's of evil and they're going to fire up differently to someone who's not a potential killer. Label them as something different to a danger to society or evil.

    Lock them up but don't kill them, even though they absolutely ruined lives and took lives. I know what I'd like to do with them and it ain't pretty.

    This ineffectual campaign of those mass shooter's are not well, because they're mentally ill they don't deserve the death penalty. Give them an education and rehabilitation, 10 years in the clanger and set them free.

    Have any of you seen Clock Work Orange ? Well that's quite close to how evil people think. Alex DeLarge was in prison and decided to get religious, he picked up the bible and he identified with how great it would have been to be a Roman whipping Jesus and nailing him to a cross. It shows how these evil people are warped and think inside out compared to regular people.

    It's unfortunate to be born evil, people aren't always the product of their environment growing up. Evil is evil, and humanity doesn't need such grotesque people in our midst.

    If they can be found out early before they commit these horrendous crimes, maybe medication or some form of therapy and rehabilitation might be possible.

    But the bleeding fckn heart's trying to defend these evil bastard's and bitches are questionable too. Obviously there's an identification or a soft spot for bad people.

    I seen recently some female professor trying to get people who are attracted to minor's be normalized in society or accepted. Another sick bitch. Kid's lives ruined by paedos and she's asking people to accept paedophilia as being normal. It's not fckin normal.

    Society will **** itself out of existence if it gets any sicker.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    So you want to eradicate people even if they haven’t done anything? Yeah, great idea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Good to know you don't agree with mass shootings



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Ah, I see. I misread your rant, apologies.

    You’ll never be able to identify “evil” though - many have tried.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,249 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Halfway through your rant you torpedo your own argument.

    If the basis is "kill them all as they are all crazy and irredeemable" but also, since they are crazy and warped, then killing them will do nothing to prevent others from also being crazy and warped.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I wouldn't agree with the death penalty just for those reasons but if someone is running amok shooting people I do not feel bad when I hear of that person being killed by Police



  • Registered Users Posts: 47 StemCell


    Couldn't disagree more.

    If you want a nice garden you have to kill the weeds.

    Society needs to use force to stop criminal behaviour. Why should decent taxpayers have to pay €100,000 a year or more to keep a child murderer alive in prison?

    Some peoples actions are so abhorrent they should be permanently removed from society immediately.



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