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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,612 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    You overestimate your own abilities Donald.

    You've essentially posted "I know YOU are, but what am I?"

    Sickened? What is this, a playground?

    Keep trying though. You might accidentally hit on a topic relevant point yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    We are not allowed to place limits on the numbers of Ukrainians.

    I would swiftly kick out all scammers from outside the EU that don't have a verifiable claim for asylum. If there was no war in Ukraine I would not let them in. But we are part of the EU and obligated to take them in. So we have to make do. No amount whinging or pearl clutching is going to change that


    As to your other point, there is no relevance. The "anti-Ukrainians" seem to have a habit of throwing in irrelevant gibberish as if it somehow matters. I merely provided the information requested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    As I said Kaiser, don't request information and then proceed to throw your toys out of the pram when it is provided to you. Simple solution.

    All I did was answer your request



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    So I’ll take that as a no, we have to take unlimited numbers from Ukraine because we are not allowed to place limits despite our resources, thanks for that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Yes. Were you not aware that we are not allowed to place limits on people from Ukraine as long as they have temporary protection status in the EU?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Btw why are Ireland not allowed to say we can’t take any more Ukrainians when other much bigger countries e.g. France take in much fewer pro rata and don’t offer the same benefits?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,954 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    It’s hilarious bordering on tragic that this idiotic government is begging private citizens now to mop up a disaster entirely of their own making- you’d want to be off your fcukin trolley to let any of these into your property. People mean well but I’d strongly advise anyone against it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Why would you imagine that?

    Live in a country a few thousand kilometres from your family, friends, pets, everyone you've known, where you don't speak the language, where housing is prohibitively expensive? Or, when there's peace again, return to your home, where there will be massive investment in rebuilding. Sure, some will stay. Most won't.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You are looking at statistics relating to how many Ukrainians have ended up where and reaching your own invalid conclusion that that is a result of that country somehow explicitly restricting their arrival.


    Ireland still hasn't taken its own fair share pro-rata



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,271 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Thats not the real issue Donald. The problem is that the state has instituted a welfare system for Ukrainian refugees that acts as a draw or a pull. If benefits for refugees were uniform across the European union, very few I suspect would make such a long journey to here. It is legitimate to ask why we have created a system that we do not have the resources to support and one that is more generous than our peers.

    Think about it, why would anyone travel across numerous safe countries to seek refuge in Ireland, when they have no previous ties to the country?

    If there was no particular draw to Ireland, no limits or caps on numberswould be needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Any proof of that? I mean, we know there are approximately 50,000 undocumented Irish - sorry, illegal economic migrants - in the U.S. and Australia, but to claim social welfare here you have to actually be in the system.

    The last group of refugees I met came from Afghanistan (handed back to the Taliban), Somalia (in the midst of an ongoing severe drought) and Ukraine (invaded by Putin). They don't want to be here stuck in hotel room in the arse end of nowhere with nothing to do all day, they'd rather be working, but it certainly beats the alternative.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    I have never seen my local tourist towns so quiet in all my living life. 

    🙄 Says the woman forgetting the COVID lockdowns of 2020...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The rate of dole is what is given to other people here. If you want to argue that that is too high for everyone then that is a different conversation.

    They are also allowed to work here. If they work, they won't get the dole.


    Let's flip your argument and ask why, given benefits in Ireland are so superlative, that we don't yet have our pro-rata fair share of Ukrainian refugees here? We keep getting told about these Telegram groups with a million billion Ukranians posting about all the free money in Ireland. Why don't we have even more here yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    So what punishment awaits France for not taking in their pro rata share when we have taken in far more pro rata? France has 13 times our population but has only taken in 100k from Ukraine compared to our 50k so how did they get away with that as well as not offering full dole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    Fully agree. You'll end up with a babushka, gopniks, or a pair of dykes out back drinking Vodka in the sunshine, sure you're getting a measly 400 per month you can well afford to cook their food 🤪😂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    I am not sure are they all fond of drink but I have asked a lot of people who have refugees taken in and none of them are working or want to work.

    Hard to get a routine going if it’s watching tv all day imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Why are you inventing punishments? Where did you get any idea that there would be punishments against France because not so many Ukrainians decided to move there yet?

    What you can do, if you are interested, is go and research French social welfare payments to non-Ukrainians and then compare and contrast those with what is being allocated for Ukrainians. Instead of just deciding in your own head that they are not "offering full dole"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    They're big fans of Fair City out in Ukraine I hear. It was only a chance viewing of that programme back in the day that inspired Zelensky to think about getting into the comedy acting business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    You’re the one who said we have to take unlimited numbers of Ukrainians so does that not suggest there will be some sanction/punishment if we say we can’t take any more ? I just pointed out that France among other countries take fewer as well as less benefits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Again, there is a difference, and it is not exactly subtle, between Ukrainians just not deciding to move to France yet, and France prohibiting them from coming.

    You are making up - in your own head - that France is actively stopping them from arriving. You have no basis for thinking that, and no evidence of same. It would be closer to a conspiracy theory than anything of fact.


    France cannot refuse them. Ireland cannot refuse them. Nor can either country force them to come to it and keep them there against their will.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,954 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    From some of the stories I’ve heard it seems to be a takeover your property scam while they flit back and forth for holidays in the “devastated war zone”. You really couldn’t make up this bullshite if you tried



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Seeing as there are more coming, and there will be less and less space, I think it is fair to assume it is more likely than 'probably'.

    That is pretty much the majority of the discussion here, except anyone that asks it gets met with accusations of Xenophobia and rants about the poor Ukrainian Refugees (all of the other refugees seem to have been forgotten about), and how they sat there and watched their houses get flattened and everyone they know burned alive etc.. Some may call that gross exaggeration, but when they do, they are met with more rants.

    The government have no plan. Ireland do not have anything near the resources that ares required to take in the numbers that they are suggesting we cram in as fast as possible. Add to that, that our tourist economy is seriously suffering as a result of this after already 2 years lockdown. Forget the nonsense about the holidaying in Ireland being the same as going to France or whatever 🙄. There are some fantasists on this thread that think some of that gibberish fits in with a plan, but mostly realists suggesting it is ridiculous to try without any plan.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    They are actively advertising Ukraine IPTV on all of their groups, and charging €20 for it, so at least we know where some of our taxes are going out of their dole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well RTE missed a trick by not having all the back episodes of Fair City on their own service then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,954 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I don’t think France etc are it’s just the benefits and handout package is vastly superior over here on banana republic. Far as I can make out other European countries are offering the bare minimum bed and board. Here they’re handed “entitlements” leaving them with more disposable income than most of the local working taxpaying fools.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The work situation is a curious one. Some want to work and start as soon as possible. Some cannot work due to caring for small children. Others are reluctant to start a job because they are hoping to return to Ukraine sooner rather than later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    It means we have to subsidize a lot of single mothers too. Thats the reality. Nothing against single mothers either.


    To me the problem isnt the jobs or working so much as that there is no accomodation left on this island and public services are already super stretched.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Cos they cant work if they are looking after their kids.


    It aint difficult to understand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Others can't work because they're in Dublin and being told they're being moved to Youghal or other rural locations, and the ones in Youghal or Donegal - well, not much work there, really. Also, the majority are women with young children, so accessing childcare so they can work is a huge problem.

    That's the reality, but some here are, of course, twisting that to "feckless lazy Ukrainians watching telly all day." But we're not allowed say they're xenophobic... 🙄

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