Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

You are the real begrudger discounting the real issues Irish citizens and existing immigrants are facing here finding rentals, school places for their kids and healthcare access.

The biggest housing crisis in the history of the modern Irish state is happening right now. There are some entire towns and counties with only a few dozen rentals on DAFT.

37 rentals under thr HAP limit in the entire country!!!

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0710/1309479-housing-rental/

The highest inflation rates in 40 years.

You dont get to ignore that.

You attack poster after poster here trying to claim the high moral ground.

You aint so moral or nice yourself.

Moldova is huge , some of its borders are not far from Odesa .

Are you begrudging me working hard for years and saving for our future?

Are you begrudging Irish people to come back and live in their homeland ? You dont immigrate back to your own country wtf are you on about ?

Stop constantly attacking other posters including myself. Stop asking so many personal questioms when its none of your business.

Its not a good look for you and your high moral ground. You sound like the biggest begrudger of them all against your own people.

I have no idea, you are claiming to work for the government, you'd be much better placed to ask. 👍️

Couldn't agree more. We raise and educate many of our young people to a high standard, who then go off to other states to work instead of putting their shoulders to the wheel here. If it's just for a few short years to get experience that's OK but there are others who build careers in other states and then when they eventually decide to return, complain about all sorts of matters relating. I've more time for those for stay in their state of birth and contribute through their work and taxes to make it a better place. The 'Returned Yanks' to use that expression may suck it up and take their place in line.

Which is also why any Ukrainian men eligible for service should not be entertained here. How are they going to return and explain themselves??

How is that allowed? Glamping sites (and Hotels) usually have planning permission for short term tourist let only. Is the Government ignoring our planning laws?

I spent last weekend in west Clare, seems every second person there is Ukrainian. Was told about a local couple, both in their seventies, who some years ago, spent a pile of money doing up an old house which was rented short term during summer to tourists, many were repeat business.

To cut long story short, they took in two Ukrainian women and their three children last March (thru' Red Cross) thinking that they'd be gone in a few weeks. They topped up the oil tank, were paying ESB bill etc. etc. As they had taken rent deposits from June onwards, they notified the Ukrainians late April that they had to be out before last week of May at the latest. But to their surprise the Ukrainians told them that were going nowhere, that their children had settled at school, that they had nowhere else to go and besides that the house owners were getting well paid by the goverment ! - the fact is that they were not being paid until very recently, as they volunteered the house to the Red Cross, they are now in receipt of €100.00 per week.

The Ukrainians are still in the house, have no lease agreement, not paying rent and the Red Cross don't want to hear about the plight of the ''landlords'' who are thousands of Euro out of pocket and had to refund all deposits paid etc. (they were fully booked from June to mid October) and may have lost repeat customers....if they ever get their property back. Their only hope now is that the Ukrainians will have moved on before next year's tourist season.

If it was through the Red Cross ( which is questionable if it was in March ?) then they signed an agreement with the Ukrainians that they are guests and not tenants and so have absolutely no rights to stay in that house .

Red Cross require a minimum commitment of 6-12 months. So it seems a little silly of those people to pledge their accommodation to the Red Cross given they were fully booked for June. Of course, the story is likely made up and you were a little gullible and believed it due to confirmation bias.

That is a condition of a specific grant of permission. Not a law.

A condition such as that would be given in the scenario where the Council suspect that such an application might be simply an attempt to get a backdoor to build a large number of houses in an area for sale.

Searching for part of the phrasing on Google- "shall be available for short term holiday letting only of maximum duration four weeks" gets only one hit. That for a proposed ski resort in Wicklow back in the early 2000's.

I remember around the same time, there was a similar "proposal" for a massive EuroDisney style resort in Dublin. I think it was stopped in it's tracks after a farcical presentation to the Council and never got near applying for permission. I think the suspicion of many at the time was that they were going to present a plan for this massive theme park to have all this tourism, then put in initial planning at the initial stage for thousands of houses to accommodate the tourists on a greenfield agricultural site. Then after those were built, "forget" to build the rest of the project. I would say that similar suspicions might have resulted in that conditions for the ski resort application

But I am open to correction if you can show me a few hotel planning permissions that have such conditions attached. I'd say greater chance of seeing it for holiday villages maybe

What holes are these? Could it just be that you dont like the story and have decided yourself it never happened?

So long as posters still have their heads in the sand and see russian boogeymen under the bed, I dont think this thread will improve.

And Red Cross were not using pledged houses in March anyway

Sure its taken them months to even e mail people who pledged