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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Very vague, can you flesh it out a bit, you seem upset because they wanted there own accommodation? I imagine they were willing to pay for it?

    Oh right, you were one of those pandemic deniers, fits. Re construction being shut and covid? You should really take a look at the new dwelling completion stats for last year before you continue to embarrass yourself. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Lol still trying to deny the government mandated construction shutdown - 🤣

    no upset here, just pointing out that plenty of people coming here as "refugees" are not coming from war torn areas or anything like it. You tried to paint the situation as everyone running from a warzone, when the reality is plenty are coming not only from peaceful west Ukraine, but some from elsewhere in Europe, and even some from across the ocean!

    Unless there is a war going on in Miami??😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    On a positive note we have a ship of corn on route from Ukraine. Whatever about accommodation logistics, food would be a lot worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    I'm pretty sure you have the wrong poster, it's dancing daisys husband who is going to work away. Also from what I've taken from her posts she lives somewhere around bundoran. Donegal doesn't have a huge cost of living, but it also suffers from holiday home owners outbidding locals, a scarcity of rental property and a complete lack of jobs. Bundoran has over 300 Ukranians now in a town that has a permanent population of around 2000. This puts extreme pressure on the already scant resources.

    You can sit on your high horse collecting your pension with your mortgage paid off, but for the rest of us with bills and young children it is a very worrying time. Because our already scarce resources are being further stretched and as much as we have pity for GENUINE refugees, we also realise that we're getting shafted for the feels

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lviv is in western Ukraine, about as far west as you can go, and it's been hit more than a few times. For Russia any part of Ukraine is fair game for missiles just to scare the natives or hit alleged military targets. Western Ukraine also wouldn't have the infrastructure capable of dealing with such massive migration. 5m have now left the country with 7m displaced within the country.

    How does what appears to be one somewhat opportunistic couple prove any kind of a thesis?

    TBH I don't think any of us can quite grasp the likely psychological effect of all of this. Just because you live in an untouched sleepy hamlet doesn't mean you are not affected by your country being invaded. Some posters have made reference to how their own families could be negatively affected by this influx but wouldn't they too want a safe haven if we were ever in the same boat?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Bundoran lives on tourists also, so to have 300 hotel beds out of action those tourist businesses will be hurting very badly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭enricoh


    The government put aside 3 billion from this year's budget to pay for an estimated 100k Ukrainians that'll be here next year- that's e30k a head. e135 per refugee per night in a hotel is e50k a head per year. Never mind welfare, extra education, health, transport etc costs.

    If there's 100k refugees what % will be in hotels, guesthouse etc -The vast majority is the answer. People hosting refugees will by and large want their own space back come Christmas. Having people in tents this winter will be a pr disaster for the government. So when are the government going to tell us the true cost? Do we get buttered up with another e100 off the ESB first?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You do realise the same "sources" you used for the pandemic are now pumping you with disinformation about Ukraine.

    You should really spend the weekend giving your social media a good cull.

    Anyway are you going to tell me about this Miami couple or just going to keep up the vague references?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    What disinformation would this be? Care to give any examples, or are you just going to keep up the vague references in a poor attempt to undermine other posters' credibility?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    That's very true, we were actually looking recently to go down for a night but it was too expensive. I mean bundoran is always busy in the summer but I wasn't prepared to spend the guts of 300 quid for a night away. 300 beds out of action is a lot for a tourist town.

    Gallaghers in letterkenny is the same, I know a few people who had booked it months ago for the rally then they were cancelled because the hotel was housing refugees. I will admit I hate rally weekend but its a money spinner for letterkenny businesses. The people who were cancelled didn't come to the rally because they couldn't get another place to stay. More money lost that the government is going to need to pay for these hotels!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If you want to direct me to the relevant thread we can continue the discussion there. But there has numerous reports how russian disinformation bots have changed gear from pumping out pandemic conspiracies to anti Ukrainian disinformation. Your musings are stereotypical of someone who has been "infected".

    But here it's about Ukrainian Refugees and right now I am interested in this couple from Miami, so in your good time tell me everything with links if you can.

    Please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Paying 1400 a month for a house which was 800 2 years ago. I wouldn't call that excellent.

    Saved a few euro during covid with no travel expenses (work from home) but current public service job boss says his staff work better in work so no work from home anymore (which makes a joke of any work from home push by Govt when there own deps can't facilitie it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Irelands loss will be mainland Europes gain - tourism money is straight into the irish economy from outside, money spent by Ukrainians is not - since we pay them their spending money from our taxes. So we are losing out as a nation massively by using tourist facilities for refugees.

    But sure isnt it great for the hotel owners to get several million € contracts!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Yer man went on liveline to complain to Joe about not getting a nice enough apartment from the taxpayer, told his story about bringing the family from Miami and that he was Ukrainian etc etc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058199770/liveline-thread-with-no-name-host-with-no-shame/p1791

    Was well covered in the liveline thread

    As for your assertions of russian disinformation - if you cant bring up any examples of it in this thread then dont bother posting. You're embarrassing yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ThoseSpikesAreSore


    What about the guys and girls that came from Poland and other countries like?

    They already had protection and they decided that they must leave it to come here why is that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    There was a glamping site beside me that was meant to open for tourists in May. It never opened, the refugees now live in the wee huts. The fella who owns it is laughing all the way to the bank. The pubs and restaurants aren't, the gps who were already under pressure aren't now that they have nearly 100 new patients to take care of.

    Someone posted earlier that the refugees only use the medical cards for emergency a and e visits. That's complete crap. I work in a chemist and I can tell you for a fact the medical cards are being well used in the surgery. Plus even if they were only being used for a and e, letterkenny hospital is always absolute mayhem. It's one hospital to serve 160,000 people. Donegal can't cope with the influx anymore but yet we are once again the government fall back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Hey! Thats Russian disinformation youre peddling

    You arent allowed to have valid criticisms of Ukrainian refugees, only kremlinites do that 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I was called a putinbot on this a while ago, Vladimir if you're reading will u pm me for my account details! I still haven't got a fiver- n no I don't take roubles before you ask!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But your child and partner didn't have to flee the country and you aren't left fighting off Russian aggression?

    So relatively you are doing excellent, agreed? Jealousy is plain weird isn't it? 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭enricoh


    It's simple we are just going to replace the tourism industry with a refugee industry! Twitter likes may sustain the communities that no longer have accommodation for tourists .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Good point - those refugees living in Lviv or Poland, Germany, France, Czechia are not being bombed or murdered in the streets like the people living in the Donbass so relatively they are doing excellent. Agreed?

    No need for them to come here to Ireland since they are already doing so well relative to those poor people in the warzones of Donbass. Glad we can agree.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Am i jealous a Ukrainian man the same age as me is entitled to more help from the state in getting educated, housing assistance, free education, free rooms no bills and all the perks than i am, too right im jealous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jesus, state of that thread.

    So he is doctor and wants to pay his own way.

    Yeah I can see how you would have a problem with that. 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    He clearly doesnt want to pay his own way as he felt so strongly as to ring up joe duffy to complain about the offer of accommodation not being to his liking (apartments in youghal not enough for him?)

    And all this while poor people being blown to bits in Donbas, sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Rubbish.


    Stop denigrating Irish people for caring about their country or doing ok for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Where were you educated?

    Anyway you would be entitled to all that too if your circumstances required it.

    But like you said, you have a good government job and loving and safe family.

    It actually sounds like you are woefully unhappy, but again not the thread for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He offered to pay for the hotel his family were staying in.

    You are chasing the wrong bone here lad.

    Another comical misjudgement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    I think there are a few assumptions you are making though I value your input on this as somebody who has knowledge of the system, or rather lack of a system.

    What happens if more than 25 pupils are added?

    I believe at least 1/5 Ukraine refugees are young children according to various reports. Therfore its possible that 65 of the refugees in Bundoran are school students.


    And was the school expanding already due to a large existing demand? What about existing waiting lists?


    In addition , one 'extra class' budget will probably just be split across all the classes making the class sizes bigger in most cases I guess.

    And as you know from dealing with immigrants they may require more language support and integration support, more time consuming and resource intensive.

    The key determinant for quality education is the teacher : pupil ratio , we know this from peer reviewed studies on education. Simply put , the quality of education is lilely to drop for the students in that school .

    Post edited by maninasia on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Dont assume my gender "lad"

    Also did you listen to the program? Or are you just making assumptions that suit your biases



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I don't know any girls called Timmy, apologies.

    IT was your claim, one you backed up by linking to a liveline thread, which is at best the inside of a racist taxi drivers head.

    So basically you are jealous because a Doctor chose to come to Ireland to raise his family and pay his own way, something he is perfectly entitled to do.

    That's nothing but rancid begrudgery.



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