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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Olaf doing a photo shoot with the elusive turbine today in Germany. No hurry Olaf lad, just peoples bills going up 5 fold and being asked to take cold showers.



    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like Germany is in a really difficult spot now with the sanctions they they have imposed on themselves.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Of course he does 🙄

    He is quite literally an agent for Gazprom at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Germany is not in trouble because of the sanctions.


    It is in trouble because Schroder and Merkel spent years preventing alternatives to Russian gas and undermining German energy security for the benefit of Russia.


    At least Gerhard is open about where his loyalty is. Merkel remains 2 faced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Germany and the others who get gas from Russia now have 3 options available to them.

    Cancel the sanctions on energy parts and maintenance officially, license and use Nord stream 2 or keep getting 80% less gas and higher prices for everyone. It's not really a difficult choice considering there are no sanctions on Gas itself apart from having to pay in roubles.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones



    He told them all straight to their faces but they said no it won't happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    I think it’s important that we all become more self reliant. Energy and food security are paramount, and the EU policies to reduce or remove industries and centralise them are not good. In times of shortage, sharing goes out the window. the EU was setup as an organisation for energy and economic co operation and they’ve been deluding themselves all these years that this can occur when they are all so heavily dependent on other counties outside the block for said energy and in a lot of cases economics. I think merkel kept things nice with Putin but he timed his moves perfectly and for all they give out about him, he’s got a strategy, terrible as it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Why would Russia turn on the gas in that scenario?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭KildareP




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Gas isn't a major revenue source and the damage it does is more beneficial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Maybe the won't who knows. Looks like only one way to find out though.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    If I were Putin I would turn the gas off in early November without warning. It would cause complete chaos in Europe and wouldn't allow any real time to source alternative or a cohesive plan.

    The goal would be to politically destabilise European countries by creating misery and hardship for the citizens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Gas is a massive revenue source for them, one of their largest.

    And its not easily moved elsewhere as its heavily reliant on pipelines, most of which go to Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Gas is about 6% of their exports, oil and oil products are about half.


    He is willing to burn down everyone's House in the belief that Russia will emerge due to the resilient nature of its people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    They where too busy laughing at him, don't see them laughing now funnily enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    All Russia need to do is get too the end of October/mid November and the sanctions will start dropping like a 10 dollar hookers knickers from the EU in the hope Putin won't turn off the taps. We get the odd cold day here in Ireland but it's nothing compared to Germany. They've really screwed themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Look even the crematoriums are in a panic. At least it's customers wont be too bothered.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    We're all master strategists on here - Germany had just woken up to the the fact that they got played - and the likes of Schroeder are/ were effectively traitors ..

    The Germany public can easily get through this winter .. German industry not so much ...

    And there are lots of other eu countries even more reliant on Russian gas than Germany..but without Germany's deep pockets ...

    It's a 2 way thing though ,Europe depended on Russia for energy - and Russia depended on Europe as a customer ...the Russian economy IS in the shite and expected to get really really bad in Sept/ oct ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Things you never thought you'd hear said publicly. But a stopped clock and all that.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    a good analysis of any winter gas crisis

    https://youtu.be/J4-k4Cnottw

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    This is what happens you leave your country reliant on a genocidal mass murdering imperialist like Vladimir Putin. Germany was warned that this would be a mistake. Your source is TFI Global News based in India. India has for whatever reason, decided to go all in on buying blood gas and blood oil from Putler and naturally they have to justify that decision, hence the line their media is taking.

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Don't moan about India buying Russian energy when the EU has funded the whole Russian military operation. 70 billion euros spent up to now has paid for every soldiers wage, every bullet and every missile launched.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    You are right about that. Europe screwed up big time by becoming dependent on Russian terrorists' energy. But India's actions post 24-Feb have been ... puzzling to say the least.

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Not really some countries just want to stay out of things and not get involved


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Suppose I should be better than this but...the next time they are looking for help with some problem: "India's problems are not really Europe's problems: Return to sender. Go ask Mad-Vlad Putin and Benevolent Chairman Xi!"

    ...

    My working theory around a few of the countries that refused to even rhetorically condemn Russia's invasion (that is almost cost-free for them IMO, unlike issue of buying oil) is they are quite big beasts whose power is likely only going to grow this century. They might want to pull the same kind of bullshít on an annoying smaller weaker neighbour themselves once they feel strong enough and the global environment suggests they can do it and get away with it or even profit. So better to say nothing and watch what happens.

    Post edited by fly_agaric on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Wages starting to spiral. Lufthansa seals ground crew wage deal to avert further walkouts. Check-in staff will get between 13.6% and 18.4% more pay.

    wages.png


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Germany's network regulator chief says they need to reduce gas consumption by 20% and also reduce gas exports to neighbouring countries by 20% to avoid problems by Christmas.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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