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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    that's the ones.

    Thankfully after they took a case out that in appointing Dido Harding, the government had not considered enough people from minority backgrounds, the Judiciary told them to **** off and not come back

    remembering of course, the Good Law Project is run by a bunch of Labour cronies.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    and you think that backs your point up?

    There is no legislation in force, or planned, that prevents people from peaceful protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,888 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That's not what that article says. At all. Nor is it what the judgement was either



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Boris Johnson for a start..

    No 10 revives prospect of UK leaving European convention on human rights, saying 'all options on table'


    Downing Street has refused to rule out the UK withdrawing from the European convention on human rights to allow it to implement the Rwanda deportation policy more easily. At the post-PMQs briefing, asked if the UK could withdraw from the ECHR, the PM’s spokesperson said:

    We are keeping all options on the table including any further legal reforms that may be necessary. We will look at all of the legislation and processes in this round.

    This is more or less word for word what Boris Johnson said about this in a TV interview yesterday. But the significance of No 10 saying this now, when it has had almost 24 hours to prepare a line, is that it shows Downing Street is serious about floating this as an option. If Johnson thought he went too far yesterday, and wanted to downplay the prospects of the UK leaving the ECHR, the spokesperson could easily have given a briefing stressing this was most unlikely.

    (And, realistically, ECHR withdrawal is unlikely. The Good Friday agreement, which Johnson professes to support, is based on the UK remaining committed to the convention, and the UK eventually agreed to include ECHR commitments in its Brexit deal with the EU.)

    The No 10 line also suggests that Guy Opperman and Thérèse Coffey, the two ministers who played down the prospect of the UK leaving the convention in interviews this morning (see 9.39am), were freelancing, not delivering a No 10 message.

    All this stuff has been in the public domain for months , how do you not know what they have been talking about?

    Sabre rattling it may be , but to try to claim that "no one has been claiming that" is simply flat out wrong.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    yes, the good law project are consistently wasting tax payers money, as in the case i linked to above.

    egotistical gobshites, the lot of them.

    ooh look, a Guardian opinion piece.

    In other news, there is definitely a god because the catholic times says so.🙄



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yes it does....If you actually read it.

    All of this stuff was widely discussed at the time. You appear to be very under-informed as to what people are saying and doing of late in UK politics.

    The legislation is extremely poorly written with (possibly deliberate) ambiguity about what constitutes "disruption" that reaches the level of criminality.

    It facilitates Protests being shut down on the whim of the local police without any clear guidance on when peaceful protest becomes disruptive.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's a QUOTE from Boris Johnson , not an opinion piece..

    Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you really not understand the words?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    a quote where he states that they are keeping all options on the table is a clear indication that the UK is leaving the ECHR?

    in other news, Kier Starmer failing to rule out that he and Boris are lovers is a clear indication that the two of them are, in fact, in an adulterous relationship with each other.

    conspiracy theory rubbish to keep the perpetually outraged Guardian readers outraged

    you seem to be one these people who get their facts and figures from some guy on Twitter, or the guardian and take everything they say as verbatum.

    The legislation isn't perfect, but preventing people from protesting is not what it is for, it is to put in place additional powers for the police to act if, for example, they consider a protest outside an abortion clinic is deliberately causing distress to an individual who is trying to avail of the clinics services or, for example, if the EDL and AFA both protesting in Luton High Street at the same time is a good idea. Currently there is nothing they can do about it but in reality, they need to close them down because there is a high chance there will be a riot.

    No one is banning peaceful protest though, which is what you are claiming.

    Ultimately though, it is up to the courts to decide if a protest was criminal or not, just as it is up to the courts to decide if there has actually been a breach of the peace, something else that is up to the discretion of a police office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,769 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Im hearing a bit of water cooler talk from a mate who works in the Home Office. Im told Truss has a massive sense of her own importance and people who work under her cant believe the size of her ego. Apparently she had a full blown affair with a senior politico at the start of her political career, her husband found out but he stood by her. She was planning on leaving her husband but got worried about how an affair might look on her political career later down the track so she went back to him. Another story about her self importance was when she was a junior minister she went to a wedding where she knew there would be BBC journalists as guests. Everyone stayed in the 5 star hotel where the wedding was held but Truss booked her family into a youth hostel down the road for fear the journalists would spin a story about 5 star expenses. The journalists couldnt believe it and they were laughing at the sense she has of her own importance, they couldnt have cared less if she stayed in the hotel.

    Other than that my mates friends who work over in the Foreign Office are absolutely exhausted after 6 years of working to implement Brexit under Boris and Truss. They reckon they could have gotten Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe out of prison at least 2 years before they did except Boris put his foot in his mouth and pissed off the Iranians in public. Under Truss she has being doing her best to scuttle the Foreign Offices work on a house building program in Palestine as part of a peace treaty, she is pro-Israel and theres rumours she might be taking donations from them. Most working there are just shaking their heads that she is likely to be the next Prime Minister, morale is on the floor after years of Boris and now Truss comes along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,687 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose



    No one is banning peaceful protest though, which is what you are claiming.

    Then, why was Stephen Bray arrested under the new act? He'd been protesting for years outside Westminster, always peacefully.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    why the right wing? traditionally the extreme left haven't exactly been too hot on Human Rights either.

    there are a lot of challenges to rulings under Human Rights legislation that are a nuisance, take the pedophiles' who are claiming that having their citizenship revoked and deported to their country of origin breaches their right to a family life, so they can continue to swan around the town where they groomed and assaulted young girls as f nothing happened. no one gives a **** about the rights of those they abused, it would seem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,687 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Of the challenges to deportation in this data set, the # for 'sex offenses' involving minors that I can easily see, is a couple percentage points overall:


    Now, do you have more recent data? Serious crimes are more likely to be challenged (murder, robbery) and deportation blocked. And of course lots of immigration-related 'crimes' (false instruments, lying to the home office I suppose) as well. But, the sex offense stuff is probably what gets the daily mail types excited.


    Also, why was the protest act used to arrest Stephen Bray?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,435 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    As I mentioned above, issues involving migrants and refugees and so on are only one element of what the ECHR does. Cases can be taken for a wide range of subjects by people who are not migrants such as freedom of speech, prisoners rights, disability rights, religious expression, discrimination in education or the workplace, rights of sexual minorities, phone hacking etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Because he employed the use of a sound amplifier, i.e. he was noisy.

    He was protesting outside Westminster regularly so it wasn't a one off thing either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,687 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And the law was changed, and he could be arrested. But, he seemed peaceful. He didn't throw anything, glue himself to motorways, start fires, ...

    Too bad there's no guarantee of assembly in the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    As was his right, this law was clearly made with him in mind because the Tory MP's hated him putting them on the spot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Yes exactly, it was made with him in mind. Not as implied earlier that somehow protests have to be conducted in complete silence or otherwise they'll be deemed illegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,687 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    15% inflation next year, economy in the tank and passing legislation targeting individuals that annoy you. The United Banana Republic Kingdom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So a whole new law just for one man because he hurt their fragile ego's?


    What's to say this won't be used against other noisy protests?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Amazon workers on strike after a measly 39p pay rise announced, postal workers due to strike and agency staff being bought in but staff refusing to train them, talks of NHS staff striking.


    General strike and civil unrest on the horizon if things don't change soon.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They didn’t though. A Labour MP wanted to make an amendment banning protests outside abortion clinics because of the tactics used, ie deliberately shouting at young women who are entering.

    this was the compromise to avoid having to actually ban protests because no one wants that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,940 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Things will change. Truss will make them worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,074 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Monopoli - you seem to think that there are different laws based on a person's political leanings. The Good Law Project must make arguments based on the law. Whether they are left, right, middle or totally non-political, they cannot simply take any action to court and win simply based on their beliefs.

    Unless you actually believe that the courts are open to poltical persuasion?

    Which would lead one to want a ECHR and EU courts to remove such political interference.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    i was giving an example. We’re yiu expecting a detailed break down of each case?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Esky must be taking a break and so the baton has been passed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Good Law Project picks up low hanging fruit, that is not in the public interest purely to score political points.

    the Dido Harding case being a good one. They complained that the government did not consider enough people from an minority ethnic background before appointing Dido Harding to a temporary unpaid role.

    technically, they are correct as the judge pointed out. Although the judge did also throw their complaint out as they are not a bonfire plaintiff.

    what is the public interest in this decision? In the midst of a pandemic when someone needed to be appointed asap, we’re the government really going to go through several months of interviews?

    of course not.

    the good law project do this purely to score points and stroke their egos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,888 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The UK government appointed someone with an appalling track record in a blatantly political move. They proceeded to do as good as job as could be expected from them - that is an appalling one.

    Maybe if they'd actually followed any rules at all in 'finding' someone for the job, it wouldn't have been a patronage appointment that went horribly wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,888 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    TalkTalk. Severe cyber attack which showed a complete dereliction of duty (and attempted abdication of responsibility afterwards) by execs.

    She shouldn't have been let near anything which ever involved personal data ever again. But she was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Apparently she had a full blown affair with a senior politico at the start of her political career, her husband found out but he stood by her. She was planning on leaving her husband but got worried about how an affair might look on her political career later down the track so she went back to him.

    I hope you ascertained this was in the public domain before you posted, and isn't just gossip reported by your mate...




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