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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker


    Never been in a real one - maybe some day. Just sims for now, but there are some good ones around. It reminds be a bit of the DH Mosquito, probably because of the far-forward in-your-face engines. 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭thomil


    I don't really see that as too much of an issue. Now granted, I'm not a military expert but looking at the map of Taiwan, the main role of the US would likely be to help cut off any PRC landing forces on the island from resupply by going after shipping and air traffic, rather than getting involved in the ground conflict. ROC air bases would likely be the first targets of any PRC attack and after the events of the push on Kyiv back in February and March, you can bet that Beijing's military commanders will not be taking any chances in that regard. That leaves USAF units based out of Kadena, strategic bombers from Guam and Continental US bases, and the US Navy's aircraft carriers and their air groups as the best options for the job.

    All these assets are not needed for the ongoing war in Ukraine, which is mainly a land war. If, or rather when the Taiwan situation boils over, I don't see that as any major drain on any US assets already in Army or Air Force warehouses. It might stretch the manufacturing capacities of US defense contractors though, once the warehouses are depleted. There are also two squadrons of logistics ships based in-theatre, one at Guam and one at Diego Garcia, that can supply a sizeable USMC force for 30 days. Once the war goes beyond that, or escalates even further, things could get dicey though.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Possible alright China does look at the long ball. I say things would change if they heard America was going to supply Taiwan with the newest anti ship missiles etc. I say that would get China to invade then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's not an endorsement of Putin but he certainly would not be as controlling or murderous as most of Russia or Chinese Communist leaders.


    It's not that he is nice but that they were so incredibly brutal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭RGARDINR




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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    China would love to deliver a military defeat on the US and take Taiwan.

    But, the US mobilises for war like no other. Trade would cease with China and the US would pivot to home manufacture. It would be tough and not quick, but given a few years the world economy would look a lot different, and not to China’s liking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    No your absolutely right but I think that's the problem America was having in their war games against China over Taiwan was that its basically a navy war as such and to defend Taiwan their navy has to get close to Taiwan but with Chinese ship killing missiles from the China mainland been launched at them and their own navy they realise they will loose most of their navy doing this. Its the distance they need to travel and the closeness from China to Taiwan for the American navy is the massive issue. Like you say this won't if it happens be really a ground war between America and China but a naval conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Oh, give him the same situation as the commies faced, and then you will see what he's capable of,,,do you think that he would not turn his military on his fellow Russians if he had too??? AKA Tiananmen square? Is he capable of murdering thousands and thousands if the need arose? He has already shown what he is capable of in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    From Chechnya to Georgia and Ukraine, from poisoning, shooting and locking up opponents to shutting down almost all independent media and amassing vast wealth for himself and his inner circle, Putin is not open and fair by anyone's standards.


    And yeah, Pelosi is a corporate stooge and religious moron, but when we look at the alternatives our incompetent democratic leaders are still a lot preferable to any dictatorship



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Needs to be done. Rather a bit of flash and feathers than holding all in and springing when desperate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    So Pelosi been and gone and China did the square root of fcuk all. They have been exposed as NK on steroids and Winne the Poo Xi is all mouth

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    What's the story with Sudan if Russia pulls out? Is that a tinder box? I haven't had the time to read into it.

    Syria without Russian support will surely collapse and Assad overthrown. Will all the focus in the middle east point to Iran?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    If the west was taking a long term view here, I think it should be something like as follows. Give Ukraine everything it needs and wants to win this war and rout Russia. Grind the Russian economy into absolute dust. Push into some of Russia as insurance, with the possibility of retuning some of that land after a period of good behaviour. Force Russia to come to the most humiliating of peaces. Demilitarise it. Basically do to the Russians what was done to the Germans after World War II.

    Then offer to bring them in from the cold on the explicit proviso that Russia's land, resources and people will be used to work as part of a new western order, over which it gets no say, at least in the initial period, but which will benefit it massively in the long run.

    The west exploited Germany's geographical dilemma to bring Germany in from the cold. Germany was trapped between two superpowers - the west, and the Soviets. West Germany was extremely happy to be on the western side post World War II because the alternative was being controlled by the Soviets (and obviously a portion of it was, which worked out disastrously). West Germany being on the western side brought peace and prosperity, freedom, sensible social democracy.

    Russia faces a similar geographical dilemma. It is a failed power which is trapped between two superpowers. On the other side of it lies China.

    If Russia is routed in this war, as it needs to be, does it then want to be a vassal of China, or a vassal of the west - with the long term possibility of becoming an integral part of the western order like Germany is now, if it undergoes decades of real reform?

    I think it would choose the latter. But to do that it first has to be utterly routed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    This has been reported aplenty now, but, it begs a question, does Russia have anyone left to defend itself in the event of an attack? Russia is a big country with a long border to the east where it has neighbours that might not exactly be as pally with Putin as the kremlin thinks.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    IAEA: Russia-occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant 'out of control.' Rafael Mariano Grossi, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said that "seven indispensable pillars of nuclear safety and security are being violated" at the Zaporizhzhia plant


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Russia doesn't need anyone to defend itself tbh. Any invasion will be meet with a nuclear weapons launch so it will never happen. Don't get me wrong i'd love to see it happen and a march on Moscow to remove the problem once and for all but it's wishful thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭weisses


    You are making no sense at all .... Hungary is a NATO member and part of the EU .... Orban did not threaten to shoot down any aircraft as you previously suggested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭weisses




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭thomil


    I wouldn't be so sure about US Navy losses. The Taiwan Strait would be a problem, but I can't see the US being crazy enough to send a surface task force into there, let alone a carrier battle group. In my eyes, any such war will develop around whether China will be able to land a force on Taiwan and, more importantly, supply it, whilst keeping Taiwan and its allies from being able to resupply their forces. That means that the US Navy will need to find some way of attacking PRC supply convoys. The Strait isn't deep enough for the US Navy to operate their nuclear attack subs there, with a depth of 40-60 meters for most part, so we'll likely see TASMs and Harpoons flying every which way if the US get actively involved.

    As for the aircraft carriers and their escorts, they'll likely stay out in the deep waters west of Taiwan, as that gives them more space to maneuver and hides their exact presence from any shore-based PRC radars due to the fact that Taiwan is in the way. Most US Navy and Marine Corps carrier aircraft have the "legs" to attack shipping in the Taiwan Strait from that position with minimal aerial refueling. This means that the Taiwan Strait will likely turn into a maritime no-man's land where neither the US Navy nor the PLA Navy will be able to operate unimpeded.

    That's the last of my PRC/Taiwan takes that I'll be writing here, I've derailed this thread enough already...

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    What is your issue? Your comments and constant bitching are bordering on obsessive. Any capable individual can find sources to back up what I wrote.

    Go for a walk or eat some fruit. Take a break from the keyboard and take a deep breath. This is a simple discussion board, where posters comments have absolutely no bearing on real life outside that bedroom of yours.

    Putting you on ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Lockheed EP-3 Aries currently peeking over the border towards Odessa.

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    This map, albeit a bit old, gives you an idea of the signals gathering and snooping range of each of the SIGNIT aircraft in-theatre.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nah, China is just making a whole lot more noise than usual and it's academic now because she's left. It's really the fear of the crippling economic effect that holds them back. They are hugely exposed to world trade, many multiples more than Russia and would have more to be worried about from their own people in that scenario.

    I'd also question the war games modelling. They have not been tested in a proper war for an extremely long time. Russia now have and have been found severely wanting. Are NK even a threat apart from the nuclear angle and cyber expertise? 1m soldiers just doesn't seem scary given the Russian performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭zv2


    It should be possible for the UA to attack the nuclear power station with suicide drones. Precision targeting won't do damage to the reactors. (Better still; drones armed with a mixture of sloppy porridge and plutonium. Should get them out quick.)

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭thomil


    You still have the problem of secondary explosions. If the rumors are true that the russkis are using the Turbine halls and even the reactor buildings as storage for artillery and MLRS systems, any secondary explosions could potentially cause significant damage. The turbine halls are less of an issue, as the VVER-1000 reactors operate with two separate coolant loops and no radioactive water or steam ever reaches the turbines, but the reactor buildings are a real worry.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭yagan


    China seemed to be the one driving the world economy after 08, but judging by how little coverage the RCEP gets in western media it's obvious there's a disconnect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,748 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    That's a very good point I didn't think of, the Americans get to test out their weaponry in proper urban warfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The turbine being serviced - "It's quite clear and simple: the turbine is there and can be delivered, but someone needs to say 'I want to have it'".





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭zv2


    They're still getting it wrong

    Sir, — The intent of Sabina Coyne Higgins’s letter calling for peace negotiations in the Russia-Ukraine war should be supported.

    There is one vital aspect to this horrific war not aired enough but suggested in one line from the anti-war poem from which Ms Coyne Higgins quotes — “Age after age, their tragic empires rise”. Since the unjustified Russian invasion of Ukraine almost everything that western imperial powers have done has served only to escalate the conflict.

    The pitiful attempts by the leaders of Germany, Italy and France to broker some kind of negotiations were undermined immediately by the US and Britain, with the utterly discredited Boris Johnson trotting off to Ukraine as much to shore up his failing premiership as to show any sincere solidarity. US president Joe Biden and his team, the main players in Nato, have made clear that their aim is to use the war to weaken Russia. As well as being a war of aggression by a large imperialist power, the war on Ukraine has long since become an inter-imperialist proxy conflict between two large powers, that of Russia and Nato, and more particularly between those two nuclear powers.

    Irish political leaders rightly condemned Russia’s aggression against Ukraine but what else have they done? Where is the expression of Ireland’s cherished tradition of neutrality and support for diplomatic efforts to end conflicts? Instead they cavort with Nato leaders in Madrid and elsewhere, are largely silent at the UN Security Council, openly threaten Ireland’s neutrality all while supporting the rush to EU militarisation. Instead of kowtowing to this escalation of conflict by two major imperial powers, Irish political leaders should take a lead from Ms Coyne Higgins’s courage and use the moral authority of Ireland’s credible neutral status to call for an immediate ceasefire and diplomatic efforts to end this horrible war. — Yours etc,


    JIM ROCHE,

    PRO, Irish Anti-War Movement, Dublin 1.

    Questions of neutrality and diplomacy – The Irish Times

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I've a suggestion. Send our man Jim off to Moscow to sort things out, Paul Murphy might go with him for company.

    If they come back with white smoke, they'll be heroes. If they don't come back, well people will shrug.



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