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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    But how is him going abroad to work goin to lessen the bills at home. Also he's leaving a public service job(a job for life essentially) and there will now be two homes to run.



  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are just going to destroy and decimate rural Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    There are enough layabouts, junkies and general useless cu**s from all corners of the globe including Ireland in Dublin without adding to it.

    Keep the skilled and enthusiastic. Move on the rest

    Sometimes you would look around you and forget where you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭enricoh


    The hotel was up for sale n I feared a crowd that has other refugee hotels would buy it. I thought it'd go for refugees in the winter but at least it'd have tourists til October. No doubt that no tourists in the town will close a cafe n a pub or two. Collateral damage I guess.

    A few clowns on here will claim the refugees spending will make up for the tourists- all you can do is laugh!



  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm in the Public Sector job, not him. He will live in a poky flat, provided by the employer. It's the price we pay in this country for this $hit show, people should remember who has to pick up the tab here.

    I know 3 other families where the husband is going to work abroad, not earning enough to pay for the cost of living or being taxed too much here. One husband is leaving 5 children and wife to go to work in construction in America. They left there 5 years ago, thinking that was the end of working abroad. Very sad for them!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    The weekly dole here has more than a month of their wages, in some cases it is double.

    If I went somewhere that had dole the same as a month of my wages, but I also noticed that their weekly minimum wage was more than double that month of wages, you can be sure as hell that I'd be getting a job!

    And? Is your point that 40,000 Ukrainians think the same as you? That must be why there are so many of them already employed here so.

    Do you think that sitting on their ass with that money, living in free accommodation with free food and whatever else they want is not an incentive to hundreds/thousands?

    Or is your point that it isn't happening?

    I'm completely lost to whatever point you are trying to make other than you might work somewhere if a load of the same circumstances were to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    But this country never had as much work available! Also tax rates are nothing compared to what they were years ago unless there are very big bucks coming in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,205 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Hopefully your husband is welcome in that foreign country and the locals aren't too put out by him occupying the poky flat that might have housed someone from their own country.



  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course he is welcome. He is going to WORK and pay TAXES in a country where there is a skill shortage in this particular job. He won't be getting anything for free. He's not going to sit around all day, expecting other people to fund his life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    It's all okay, the great Ukrainian's will keep those towns a float



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    I don’t understand what has this to Ukrainian refugees?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,205 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yes but unfortunately where he is going there might be a cohort of ignorant people who refuse to acknowledge any of that and instead lump him in with all the other 'foreigners' they like to blame all their ills on.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He MAY have to pay taxes here too. Wouldn’t that be a bummer!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    Dancing daisy I feel for you, my husband had to work abroad at times too and its tough on all of you. That obviously had nothing to do with refugees, but my point is that there's nearly no work where we live. And yet there's nearly 100 Ukrainians in the area now, where would they ever be able to pick up jobs.

    The reason my husband had to go away to work was because we were entitled to nothing else, he couldn't get dole, we'd no medical card or anything else.

    It's not the Ukrainians fault, they are stuck in wee glamping pods which I'm sure are lovely as a weekend novelty but I wouldn't fancy one long term. And in spite of this type of accommodation being used and the sheer expense of the government renting them plus providing welfare, the official government line is still keep them coming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Okaaay... well then we don't really know how it'll all turn out, do we? Nothing is certain.

    Interesting from a political pov to see the reports of the numbers of refugees heading NW to Donegal. This has been a growing SF heartland for a good few years. Could be very tricky for SF if their supporters feel they are most affected and start rocking the boat. Will have to get down off the fence and make their position, whatever it is, much clearer. Those of a conspiracy mind might even think that the present administration are happy to throw a curved ball that way and see how it lands.



  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At this stage, I'm going to turn to Sinn Fein. It is an absolute disgrace to dump so many people into a rural area where jobs and services are few and far between. Then to be given so many benefits that you're better off than the locals.

    Letterkenny has been used like this for the last 10 years. It's visible around the town and parts of Letterkenny are ghettoised to be quite frank.

    The very fabric of my beautiful Donegal is going to be changed forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Sinn fein will agree with what ever you're view on the matter is. If you want them to make their stance clear on this good luck. They agree with whatever will get your votes. God help this country when they finally get into power as no one really knows what side there loyalties lye, Irish citizens first, I Don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Taking advantage of the fact that he has permission to go there. Then going over there, probably getting a months worth of Irish wages in a week, spending nothing and just sending it home. Using all the facilities paid for by their taxpayers such as roads and public transport systems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    "Good old Ireland"

    So you have a new home, your husband works in a profession where there is a shortage of staff. You are a teacher currently on full paid maternity. You receive children's allowance, free GP care and subsidised child care when it comes to it, your child care costs will obviously be much lower than most given your profession.

    Sounds like you are doing alright. Things may be tight, but that isn't exclusive to you, new babies, new homes, it's a costly business and most people would struggle through for a few years.

    But Relative to the topic of this thread I can't fathom why you would even be on here complaining.

    Imagine your town is invaded, neighbours brutally raped and murdered, your house burnt to the ground and you are forced to flee with your kids to another country to live in a camp site leaving your husband and other family members at home not knowing from day to a next whether they will be killed or not? Or even if that didn't happen you, imagine every day having to stay playing the sick game of missile lotto in a country whose economy and society have been decimated.

    I know everyone enjoys a moan, but fúcking hell a bit of cop on in the thread you are doing it in. Or at least a bit of perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,736 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Not changed Daisy, "improved". This is all for our "benefit" as well remember? Multiculturalism at its finest!

    Of course in reality, it's obvious to anyone who cares to look that importing tens of thousands of people and dumping them anywhere there's a roof (even a fabric/canvas one) is never going to end well - especially when you give them nothing to do and hand them free everything. Then add in that these things are being provided at the direct expense to, and ahead of, the natives and existing EU citizens and well.....

    It hasn't been lost on those of us watching with a bit more objectivity than that the conversation has moved from providing temporary refuge to offering permanent resettlement either of course - nor the speed at which the Government has moved to provide all these things that they told us were impossible to "just do/fix" previously.

    As I've said, supporting this ongoing resettlement is now in fact supporting Irish people being treated as second-class citizens in our own country. I'm not normally one for hyperbole but hmmm.... why does that sound familiar??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    SF were always massive supporters of asylum seekers and refugees - no? You'd be like a turkey voting for Christmas


    One of their TD's had their car burned a few days after making a speech criticising the kind of language and demonisation seen on here (but in relation to asylum seekers).


    And that was for asylum seekers, not Ukrainians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    "TDs get the feeling and concern of the majority of ordinary people"

    "any TD who goes against the grain... is basically **** away thousands upon thousands of votes"

    One of these things is not like the other?

    The majority of ordinary people are perfectly fine with showing some empathy and offering support to Ukrainian people fleeing a warzone. The majority of ordinary people don't vote for the anti-immigrant, "Irish before everyone else" parties. Remind me what percentage of the vote did Renua, the National Party and Gemma O'Doherty get in the last couple of elections? Less than 2%?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭enricoh


    The government won't give a subsidy on green diesel for trawlers as they can't afford it. Boats are tied up in killybegs as it's uneconomical to go fishing at current diesel prices. The Spanish n french boats get a subsidy off their government n drop off in killybegs when full n head out again.

    What the government did do for the town was to put a clatter of refugees into the hotel instead. That'll really help the economy. Not all bad though Liam neeson was filming locally n called into the refugees with the cameras rolling. Can't beat a good photo op, that kind of fluffy stuff will help sustain the town!

    Afloat: Industry Leaders Warn That Irish Fishing Fleet Resilience is Under Threat.

    https://afloat.ie/blogs/tom-macsweeney/item/55014-industry-leaders-warn-that-fishing-fleet-resilience-is-under-threat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,736 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    As the recent IT poll showed, the majority of people are fine with empathy/sympathy and showing support - within reason and within limits! I dare say that if the poll was run again now that majority and conditions would be stronger still

    Wanting an approach to be sustainable and not at the cost of others who need those services too is not "anti-immigrant". It's basic common sense.

    But that probably doesn't really fit the "support the people fleeing a warzone" (like most of Ukraine which is not involved in the fighting, or Poland, or France, or other places!) narrative I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    That is hilarious when you consider the other main two in charge. ALL politicians will tell you what you want to hear, that is hardly a SF thing.

    I have no idea where FG loyalties lie, and I'm pretty sure FF loyalties lie in their wallet.

    What many of the posters that have posted here in the last day don't realise, is if they had read back a couple of pages they would have read that many people aren't p*ssed off the Ukrainians themselves, it is the Government, the amount and the way it is being done. Sure, they can tell us the twats in the EU are 'forcing' us to do it, but that again just shows them up as a weak government.

    We need a government that will stand up, we need people to stand up too. In many ways I admire the French for their protests. If they are unhappy with anything, they protest. That way at least the government know to take them seriously. We are taken for mugs here. There have been protests for housing, hospital beds etc.. and now this happens, which will undoubtedly make both worse. They couldn't give a sh!te. The powerswap parties have it far too good. They seem to think that no matter what happens, at least one if them will get in to power the next time.

    I would vote for the monster raving loony party or whatever they are called at this stage over those two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Agreed, But alot seem to think when or if SF gets into power were going to see massive changes that benefits us a citizens. Ain't going to happen.

    Sadly their is no party to vote for that has the working class Irish citizens back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    That's up to SF. When they get in they can decide to continue the same course or actually fix something, any single one of the issues on the ever growing list might be enough to keep them in power for a couple of terms.

    I can't imagine it will be in their policy to continue letting in refugees. The idiots there now opened the gates and fecked off. "No cap".. Christ it is baffling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I'm not to sure. Perhaps if SF had of put up a serious objection to the open door policy and pushed hard for a cap we might have a slight idea which way they lye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    SF are playing this correct politically. They can just sit back and watch FF/FG lose votes from this shambles (the lack of any plan at all, no cap on numbers we can deal with etc)

    Why would they get involved? This is the Govts mess to deal with and they are clearly not able to deal with it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,736 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Because if they want to be the main opposition, and see themselves as representing those who the Government have abandoned, they should probably... y'know... Actually take an opposing position occasionally (and I don't just mean oversimplified positions on things like more housing good, taxes bad) - especially on an "easy win" like this topic where even the IT has called out the increasing concerns of the public.

    This is even more important if they want to be taken seriously as an real and actual alternative to the Government rather than just more of the same noisy grandstanding and playing party politics that has lost FF/FG so much support.



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