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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Use whatever age category you want, but the overall booster uptake is nothing like the original two jab uptake.

    Immature you say.... How about someone who is not breaking ANY covid laws because such laws don't exist perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,030 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well I don't watch RTE or any other Irish news channel either. This site is the closest I come to social media because I'm against large social media sites where AI is tracking people and drawing them into whatever their agenda is.

    Were any of the staff wearing masks in the restaurant you went to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    How is it a lie exactly if one number is lower than the other?

    Ah well, looks like we'll never know seeing as you won't respond to anything else I post 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    As per https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

    Percent of Population over 5 who have received a booster dose (Additional and Immunocompromised): 66%

    Percentage of Eligible Population Fully Vaccinated: 85.93%

    66% boosted vs 86% two jabs = not a liar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,030 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


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    Booster figures in May for anyone interested. That's by county and it's over 90%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    His unvaccinated predecessor went to hospital as an emergency case. The older vaccinated incumbent had to isolate in the white house for a few days.

    To be fair, go to any health setting or pharmacy and you'll see most people wearing masks, even in London of late, there would still be waiting staff masking up (I haven't worn a mask myself bar health settings since they moved to recommended).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Great to see New Zealand finally open the borders

    Oh dear not much mask wearing at the Trimble funeral certainly no normalcy whatsoever out there right?😉




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,348 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Do you seriously think that people going to crowded areas are taking things way overboard?

    So we might as well close pubs and nightclubs again and cancel all outdoor concerts?

    Your living in the past. Wear your mask if it makes you feel better and do your social distancing, but let the rest of us get on with life please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,348 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    I wouldn’t imagine many people are too interested at this stage. And rightly so. I don’t remember anyone having much interest in the flu vaccine statistics before Covid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭walus


    My observation is that roughly 2 every 100 wear masks. Not sure how significant that is, but logic would suggest that 98 have moved on.

    If it wasn't for the media and social media we would not have called it a pandemic in the first place.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    There likely never will be a 'proper' vaccine. There never has been for a coronavirus, despite all efforts. What will you do then?



  • Posts: 265 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your reply has nothing to do with the point of my post, which is all the politicians in the video are shown lying about the vaccines. I have yet to hear any of these politicians apologise for what they said. How could Daniel Andrews the Victorian Premier in Australia say that with 3 doses you will be prevented from getting infected and from transmitting the omicron variant? We have known for months before the omicron variant that the vaccines do not prevent infection and transmission. I have also not seen any of the media hold these politicians accountable for what they said.

    Here it is again for your viewing pleasure. If it was not a serious health issue, it would be comical.

    Of my friends and family who are fully vaccinated 80% have been infected by covid. Two ended up in hospital. The politicians in the video are a disgrace to say what they said. Pandemic of the unvaccinated my arse!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭Ceepo



    "His unvaccinated predecessor went to hospital as an emergency case. The older vaccinated incumbent had to isolate in the white house for a few days."

    No sure what point you're trying to make here, as It would have been hard for Trump to be vaccinated at time when there was no vaccine available. He also got what was considered a more severe strain of covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,714 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    When did Biden make the comment? It appears the video itself is the lie if you are using Omicron to judge comments made 12 months ago based on the best available data at the time for the variants in circulation.

    You haven't provided any evidence to show Biden or Andrews lied. You haven't even provided the source & timings for these statement \ exact phrasings, or any recent citation for when they used the phrase "pandemic of the unvaccinated" in relation to Omicron.

    The Qatar study referenced below found that - for Omicron:

    The effectiveness of three doses of BNT162b2 and no previous infection was 52.2% (95% CI, 48.1 to 55.9).

    So if 100 Australians are vaccinated, that's 52% of cases prevented.

    It also found:

    The study, the most comprehensive of its kind in investigating different combinations of immunity for omicron-variant SARS-CoV-2 infections, also found evidence that both vaccination and prior infection provided strong and durable protection from severe, critical, or fatal COVID-19 during the omicron wave.

    So your statement of fact: "We have known for months before the omicron variant that the vaccines do not prevent infection and transmission" is false and unsupported by any evidence you have provided.

    Your post appears to be nothing more than anti vax propaganda.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It was a global pandemic of some great concern for quite a long while, until we cracked vaccines. It's still a pandemic using a strict definition of the word but for very many countries it's now just a background disease like other respiratory illnesses. In that regard the continuing media obsession with it is tiresome and fairly unnecessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The point was that the vaccines have effectively eliminated hospitalisations to the level where lockdowns and restrictions are unnecessary (remembering that the CFR for Omicron is about the same as the original variant if you're unvaccinated). 2 presidents, 1 ended up being hospitalised and treated as an emergency case, the older one wasn't, one was unvaccinated (because they weren't available yet) the older one was vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Are there opinions/research as to the CFR(case fatality rate?) -or equivalent for anyone with just one vaccination?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    No doubt vaccine played a huge part to reduce in severe disease and deaths rates, but it also must be said we had lockdowns and restrictions when we had over 90% vaccine uptake.

    Sorry but I'm still not getting the point why you brought Trump into this. While he was hospitalised, and unvaccinated because there wasn't a vaccine in place at the time (which you left out) there are a lot more confounding factors to take into account. (Obesity being one )

    Is the CFR the same as previous strains in unvaccinated ?? Do you have a link to this information



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You can get the CFR data from the CDC, WHO and a variety of studies, there's a twitter thread here that covers a lot of the data (and you can go back through the sources and investigate further, hopefully you're not one of the people who gives out about tweets not realising the data behind them is from various studies):

    (1) Paul Glasziou on Twitter: "6/ So it’s not “just a cold” but better than delta, and with vaccination better than ‘flu. Very interested to see any improvements on these." / Twitter

    Delta was quite vicious, good at spreading with a high CFR vs. the original strain, Omicron spreading helped a lot but would have us back to pandemic beginning CFR wise without vaccines.

    The point with Trump was the vaccines doing their job of keeping people out of hospital (remembering that hospital capacity was one of the main reasons for lockdowns), in a sample set of 1, 1 president unvaccinated put pressure on the system, 1 vaccinated president didn't, the fact that Biden got infected doesn't really matter, he wasn't taking up the hospital space of his predecessor and this effect is seen across vaccinated countries (i.e. large sample sets), saying "Biden got infected thus vaccines useless" completely misses the point, the better outcomes are down to vaccines. (remembering this was in response to the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" comment, it still is, just the % is too low to have any great impact on society anymore, at the height, you were 10-24x more likely to be in ICU if unvaccinated).

    The data is quite messy now with a high vaccinated % (and those most vulnerable are nearly 100% vaccinated so 1 or 2 cases either side can skew data considerably) and previous infections. The sum up, from that tweet, is that if vaccinated, it's about as bad as flu, 20x worse otherwise.

    #injections and boosters will also come into it, but again, have the most effect in the most vulnerable groups (which are also most vaccinated), which is why when booster 2 is recommended for everyone in Sept/Oct, the vulnerable will likely be on booster 3.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    I'm not on twitter at all tbh so I'm not one that gives out about tweets,

    I'll look into the cfr rate at some point in time. Not something I'm overly concerned about tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I don't use it either, it can be a great source for collected data, there was a few sites that used to maintain their own sources of sources page, but they go out of date very quickly, whereas with Twitter there's always one scientist or another researching something, pulling together their data and making posts about it. You'll also see the difference between the misinformation tweets (usually 1 source of dubious quality written by an unknown) and informative tweets which use a variety of sources, or if single source, will constantly call this out rather than try and make concrete conclusions from it.

    I do wonder if it's part of their tenureship now to be active on some sort of social media as I'd rarely bother myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    I'd be flabbergasted if the CFR for Omicron was anything like earlier variants. To attribute the reduction in hospitalisations purely to vaccinations seems a teeny weeny optimistic to put it mildly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Without vaccinations, we'd likely still have lots of restrictions, or a broken down health service (or have lots of nightingale style wards setup).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    South Africa seems to fare just fine with Omicron and a low vaccination rate. I thought it was generally accepted Omicron was less lethal than previous variants.

    Even esteemed epidemiologist Bill Gates has said Omicron done a better job than the vaccines:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Quite a few studies indicating Omicron has a lower fatality rate even taking vaccination status into account. Two below;

    “On the basis of data from South Africa and mathematical modeling, we found that the Omicron variant is highly transmissible but with significantly lower infection fatality rates than those of previous variants of SARS-CoV-2.”

    “The risk of death involving COVID-19 was estimated to be 67% lower (hazard ratio: 0.33, 95% confidence interval: 0.24 to 0.45) following Omicron infection relative to Delta. This was after adjusting for sex, age, vaccination status, previous COVID-19 infection, calendar time, ethnicity, Index of Multiple Deprivation rank, household deprivation, university degree, keyworker status, country of birth, main language, region, disability, and the number of pre-existing conditions.”

    Seems to be generally accepted that Omicron is less lethal. Granted it spreads easier so is more likely to reach vulnerable and elderly, which would explain why deaths are higher than expected with boosters uptake. We’ve had about 1,000 covid deaths since beginning of March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,714 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This is what happened when Omicron hit Hong Kong - older demographic without immunity from either vaccines or previous infection.

    Even if Omicron is less severe, it is more infectious. IN the numbers game of hospital capacity, without vaccines, it is major threat to capacity.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭glitterIsland


    I got a message earlier from a number. It said:


    HSE: You have been in touch with someone who has the covid 19 variant. Please follow the link.... And it starts with test.ie....


    The number is an 083


    I had many pcr tests and texts from the hse and it didn't come into the usual message chats from the hse. It was separate message.

    I didn't click on the link and I went straight to delete because I presume it's a scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭walus


    if vaccinations are so crucial from keeping people out of hospitals and protecting from death, why highly vaccinated countries i.e. Israel (almost entire population with 4 doses), New Zealand and others are being absolutely wiped out when it comes to excess deaths this year? A 20-40% of excess deaths does not seem insignificant to me. What is causing those deaths if it is presumably not covid?

    https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Why is there so few deaths from Covid here since the vaccination program compared to before the vaccination program?

    I really have no idea why 🤔



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