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10 years after graduating, many men too will have had at least one, and not infrequently, more than one child. I don't think your intention was to relegate the importance of fathers roles in their children's lives to the status of a mere sperm donor, but that's the effect of what you're arguing as an explanation for the discrepancy in earnings between men and women. In reality of course, beyond the gender wars, both men and women become parents at a similar age - 30 (up 3 years from 27, the average age 10 years ago). The discrepancy in earnings in employment is a tad more complex than can so easily be explained away by pregnancy and motherhood, or fatherhood for that matter - I'm sure you can think of areas where your idea of emphasising thhe importance of motherhood, overlooking the significance of fatherhood, might have a negative impact on decisions which affect fathers and their children...
There are a couple of different factors influencing the discrepancy in earnings between men and women, but the most influential factor is that men spend more time on what are called 'promotable tasks', whereas women spend more time on what are called 'non-promotable' tasks. On that basis it stands to reason that men are more likely to be promoted than women, coupled with the fact that men are more confident in putting themselves forward for promotion than women. It's not because they're men (or fathers for that matter, who out-earn men who are not fathers!), and it's not because they are women, but it's because of the different roles and responsibilities and tasks they take on, leads to opportunities for promotion based upon performance, which is a more valuable and tangible metric for organisations, than any idealistic notions about diversity.
MEN 40 PERCENT MORE LIKELY THAN WOMEN TO BE PROMOTED IN MANAGEMENT ROLES - Engage Employee
Why men get more promotions than women | theHRD (thehrdirector.com)
The Real Reason Your Male Colleagues Get Promoted Faster And How To Fix It (forbes.com)
Women in IT More Likely To Be Promoted Than Men, Study Finds | News & Events (rpi.edu)
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Yes, my single sentence certainly didn't fully explain my reasoning.
One thing to keep in mind is this is an earnings gap, so if women on average decreased the hours that they worked (with some working similar hours and some with reduced hours) while men did not reduce their hours (or even increased them a bit), that alone could explain an earnings gap at 10 years that didn't exist at five years.
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It really wouldn’t though, not least because of the fact that the article constantly refers to graduates, without mentioning what the graduates actually studied, or the fields of employment they pursued after graduation. But we can look at the data which explains why the discrepancy of €125 exists between men and women graduates, based upon their course choices, and their career choices after graduation -
Earnings gap between male and female graduates grows over time
Figure 4.2 shows median weekly earnings for 2010 graduates one to ten years after graduation for male and female graduates. Median earnings among all graduates increased from €425 per week in the first year after graduation, to €660 per week after five years and to €960 after ten years.
In the first five years after graduation, median weekly earnings for 2010 graduates remained broadly similar between male and female graduates. Five years after graduation, male graduates earned €15 per week more than female graduates. However, after ten years this difference increases to €125, with male graduates earning €1,040 per week compared to €915 for female graduates.
'Education' and 'Health & Welfare' graduates have the highest earnings in first year after graduation
ICT graduates receive highest earnings ten years after graduation
Female graduates more likely to work in 'Education' and 'Health & Social Work'
There are notable differences for 2019 graduates in the distributions of male and female graduates across the various NACE sectors in the first year after graduation.
For women that graduated in 2019, the most popular NACE sector in the first year after graduation was 'Health & Social Work'. Five times the number of women worked in this sector compared to men, with 2,900 female graduates employed in 'Health & Social Work' compared to just 600 male graduates. There were also twice the number of women employed in the 'Education' sector compared to men, with 2,400 female graduates working in this sector compared to 1,100 male graduates.
Sectors in which there were more male graduates employed than females include 'Finance & Real Estate', 'Industry', 'Professional, Scientific & Technical Activities', 'Information & Communication' and 'Construction'.
The difference in distributions of male and female graduates across the various NACE sectors is a clear reflection of the preferred fields of study for male and female graduates, which are outlined in the Chapter on Background Statistics. For example, 30% of female graduates from 2019 had studied either 'Education' or 'Health & Welfare'. On the other hand, these fields of study accounted for only 10% of male graduates in 2019. Together, these reflect the differing employment rates for male and female graduates working in the 'Education' and 'Health & Social Work' NACE sectors.
Nowt to do with career breaks (even involuntary breaks in employment affect both men and women equally in terms of their opportunities to get back into employment), or working part-time or working reduced hours or longer hours. It’s simply that men and women gravitate towards different career opportunities and make career choices that suit themselves and their families.
Obviously an aim of Government is to achieve full employment in the labour market, but whatever way they try to introduce measures to force women into the labour market by way of trying to convince them it’s for their own good, generally speaking those ideals only appeal to a tiny minority of a certain type of feminist, who are hell bent on notions of gender equality, with no regard for the fact that in families, parents aren’t competing with each other in employment - they decide what works best for them and their children as a family, regardless of idealistic notions about gender equality.
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Generally agree. Though I’m not sure we know for definite there are no changes in hours worked for men and women between 5 and 10 years after graduation? But as you say the difference in weekly earnings could be mostly or all due to differences in fields of employment and the like.
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A little over 18 months ago, Longford-based solicitors Fiona Baxter and Breege Mimnagh formed the country’s first almost exclusively female law firm specialising in criminal defence.
Baxter Mimnagh Solicitors, which also specialises in medical negligence cases, has already doubled in size since opening its doors in October 2020.
The firm has a staff of nine – four solicitors, three legal executives and a head of accounts, all of whom are women. The ninth member of staff is the only male, a trainee lawyer.
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“From early on in my career, when I first met Breege while working in the same courts, she taught me that the most effective approach when dealing with a male client who is agitated and in your face is to use female logic to dial down the situation.
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“As a mother with a family, you can see the two sides of the case. Your personal experience colours everything you do and the feminine touch brings that extra degree of empathy.
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“It isn’t really an accident that we are an almost exclusive female practice: we all work better together, which is in the best interests of the clients,” Ms Mimnagh says.
I wonder whether somebody in a senior position of a mostly male practice would get a soft interview like this.
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Just looking through my LinkedIn feed and this was part one of the top items in my feed with 3800 reactions.
#redundancy #redundant #womeninbusiness #womenentrepreneurs #womenatwork #womenbusinessowners #womenentrepreneur #womanownedbusiness #womanentrepreneur #womanceo #womanbusinessowner
I think if a man had a similar list of hashtags or even one involving man/men he’d get a lot of negative comments.
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Listening to BBC Radio One earlier on a show presented by Jordan North and Jordan was describing going away on holidays with his parents at some stage and how his mum would complain about people claiming sun loungers and get her husband to challenge people who had done it. He wouldn’t want to do it and she’d say “call yourself a man, do you?”. It’s maybe something that should be taught to boys, how they should respond to such tactics.
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Fight a bit of old school with some old school
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‘I’m the only man at parent and toddler groups. Mothers can be odd about it’
Two fathers discuss what they enjoy most about their role as stay-at-home dads
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“I enjoy their company and find them fascinating – the only thing which can be a bit strange is that I’m always the only man at the playground or parent and toddler groups. Some of the mothers can be very odd about it and while most are fine and will at least say hello, there is always one or two, who nearly clutch their children to them as if they think I’m going to do something.
“This makes me sad and angry – I’m a father with my kids and have as much right to be there as they do. I know there aren’t as many dads looking after their children as there are mothers – but those of us who are, shouldn’t be made to feel unwelcome. People need to realise that dads love their kids too and the days of them just being the bread winner are long gone.”
‘Fathers can feel out of place in creches or playgroups’
Child psychologist, Peadar Maxwell agrees and says while the number of fathers in full-time care roles is still quite low and many may feel outnumbered and out of place in female-centric environments, it is important to try and overcome any feelings of awkwardness as their children will
benefit from their involvement.
“Fathers can feel out of place in creches or playgroups but I would advise them to try to get used to those environments and would ask others in those settings to make an effort to be inclusive and welcoming to fathers trying to figure a new parenting role,” he says.
“It is very healthy for children to see their parents embrace some fluidity in their roles and fathers are very capable at fulfilling the emotional and care needs of their children; if they make an effort and if the other parent encourages their partners.
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Popular thread on Twitter and some replies:
The most awkward situation in urology occurs when a patient who is a few years post vasectomy comes in requesting a repeat semen analysis because their partner just got pregnant & the SA shows zero sperm & the patient is like, "wow I guess the child is a miracle." 😬😵💫
One of the most awkward moments in Pediatrics is when you discuss jaundice and ABO incompatibility with a newborn’s parents, and discover that both parents have the same blood type.
https://twitter.com/danielledunetz/status/1532879163119509504?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
This is why my biology prof in college stopped doing blood typing in class. Too many questions.
https://twitter.com/outragedinks/status/1532884480205238273?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
Maternity is a matter of fact, paternity is a matter of faith
A forensic dentist working on 9/11 remains said this happened, too, in the early days of establishing protocols for organ donor screening of family members. So, to identify DNA of victims of 9/11, only matrilineal DNA was used. Avoided embarrassing revelations.
https://twitter.com/lauraminer100/status/1532869933222207488?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
As we say in our neighborhood: Mommy's baby, Daddy's maybe.
https://twitter.com/auntyalias/status/1532890937038213120?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
In my high school biology class we did a simple test to find out our blood type.
That is no longer done because too many children had blood types that could not have come from their biological parents and that led to parental drama and even violence.
True story.
Not nearly as awkward as being required by law to withhold the information that the child is not biologically his, yet he'll be financially responsible for the child for a minimum of 18 years.
https://twitter.com/rationalmale/status/1533098365054947328?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
Huge thread so plenty of other tweets on the subject.
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As a Doc who delivered babies for 25 years, I was always vague about blood type discrepancies. My motto was always that the man at the delivery is the Daddy. 😊
yeah, my dad is a retired genetic counselor. He often worked with families where it was impossible for the dad to be the father. awkward indeed.
https://twitter.com/rsneedphd/status/1532901431757398017?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
My teacher friend had to stop doing blood typing in class because more than once a kid could not have the blood type they had with their presumed parents’ blood types.
I vote we go back to doing them because if they're old enough to be conducting blood exams they should know if they aren't bio related to their parents!!!
https://twitter.com/radicalvenus/status/1533111433809887234?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
My kid is working on genetics. Just did a test on mom dad and kid. Results came back dad is not the dad. Doc said I'll just say that the dad's sample couldn't be run for some reason
https://twitter.com/biervicki/status/1532900087550169093?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
I’m a psychiatrist and I’m here to say the direct approach is probably best for most patients. “It’s most likely that you did not father this baby,” and leave it at that. You don’t have to convince them of this but you should say it at least once, clearly and concisely.
https://twitter.com/portorhinosaur/status/1533071007426039808?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
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Might have posted this before but when my firs son was born my wife suffered complications, she's fine , and so I was always a very active father; bribgbing the kid to doctors and generally having him hanging out of me 24/7.
One day I was doing the shopping in Dunnes and smelled a nappy change was in order. Went up to the toilet block expecting the usual disabled/baby changing toiled and finding nothing of the sort. I went down to the customer service desk and enquired for the baby changing areas location. "It's in the ladies toilets "
I changed him in the back of my Jeep after telling them they were treating me unfairly due to my gender.
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Modern Morals: I’ve kept a ‘runaway fund’ secret from my husband. Should I give it up for life-saving treatment for his sister?
Should I tell him about it and help out?
I can't remember the specific details but I recall it being suggested that men shouldn't have a fund like this.
Yet in this article all sorts of good reasons are given why it is acceptable for a woman to have one.
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The State’s human rights watchdog has again accused An Garda Síochána of engaging in racial profiling.
The latest claims by the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) were made in a report recently submitted to a UN committee.
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It contains over 100 recommendations and raised concerns over many issues.
These include “the ongoing failure of the State to take full accountability for Ireland’s long and dark history of institutional abuse, the continuing and widespread discrimination faced by Travellers, [and] ongoing deficiencies in the State’s response to gender- based violence”.
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IHREC also recommended the extension of gender quotas for elections, to ensure at least 40pc of election candidates are women, and measures to support the political participation of under-represented groups.
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Women seem to be their own worst enemies when it comes to closing gender pay gap
Lower salary expectations and poor negotiating skills, even among students, mean women are accepting gender pay disparity as a given
Though men perhaps have lower expectations of the working conditions they may have e.g. the expectation that they might have to work long hours, work in a dangerous and/or dirty environment, etc.
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Gender pay gap reporting is coming into effect. Here’s what you need to know
Landmark legislation requires companies with more than 250 employees to choose a ‘snapshot’ date this June and prepare a report on their gender pay gap data
Sponsored by Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
An Post has taken a number of actions on foot of the data. These include the introduction of software to eliminate gender bias in job descriptions and working towards having gender-balanced shortlists for senior management roles.
Eleanor Nash of An Post: ‘You have to be fully committed to the bigger picture and to dealing with more difficult issues and full transparency around those issues’
The organisation also introduced skills training for all employees preparing for interviews internally. And it has launched Aspire, its female talent acceleration programme to support women across the business in career planning and network building.
“This builds confidence and helps women further their careers,” says Nash. “We also launched our internal mentoring programme for female managers to support them as they continue their career at An Post. These initiatives are now business as usual for us and we are focusing on building better representation of females in postal operative roles across the country.”
So a scheme by a company helping only women is being held as being good. And I wouldn't be surprised if there is some "positive" discrimination.
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Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags/items I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)
I also threw in some other posts as I didn't want to post too frequently.
#DomesticViolence
#nowomanleftbehind
#SaveWomensSports
#MuslimWomensDay·
March 27 marks #MuslimWomensDay
#NotOurCrimes
Telegraph Life
Spain is to become the first Western country offering 'menstrual leave'
#MenToo
#AbuseHasNoGender
On Father's Day no less:
Platform by Metro.co.uk
Neither my wife or I have relationships with our dads - so when we married we took our mums' names
#HeForShe
Didn't trend but I thought I would mention:
Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/bpfinews/status/1489493928411869185?s=21
Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/1499715657910435846?s=11
#ReadIrishWomenChallenge22 (this may have trended?)
Twitter ad:
#OUTBELIEVE
Sky are a proud partner & supporter of our Women's National Team
Promoted by Sky Ireland
Women-only initiative:
The Loyola Institute TCD has announced the details of two scholarships for women interested in studying theology.
https://www.jesuit.ie/news/scholarships-for-women/
International Day of Girls and Women in Science
Groups for men and women I came across:
The Defence Forces Women’s Network
Irish Women Lawyers’ Association (IWLA)
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Didn't trend but I thought I would mention:
‘There is an awful lot more we can do to make the RNLI more welcoming for women’
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look at this artical about teaching about domestic violence in schools
only mention of men and its on the prevention side ,
“We all have a role to play here in the delivery of policy and services and the direction that we can provide, but it’s each and every one of us: each individual, each man, each woman, making sure that we play our part.
then out withe the men bad women victims speech again
Speaking at the launch, the Taoiseach said that misogyny has “no place” in Irish society.
“We all have to be clear with each other, that there’s simply no place in society for misogyny,” adding that there are plans to double the amount of women’s refuge spaces around the country.
so no plans to help men at all
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Online abuse: ‘I was waking up every day to malicious messages from men’
Talented women didn’t run as election candidates for fear of being subjected to ‘toxic’ abuse
Only talks about female politicians being victims.
Here's information I once saved:
A significant body of research shows that male politicians receive more abuse than women
https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1140/epjds/s13688-020-00236-9
https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/145982/1/1904.11230v1.pdf
While the abuse is different in nature it’s no less pointed or vile- surprisingly, the impact is often greater on men.
We’ve seen this in the protests outside (male)politicians homes. Protests that certain media commentators have sought to shamefully justify. The author of this piece had the opportunity to shine a light on a very real problem, instead they decided to dive into an identity politics sewer. Once again the IT manages to shoot itself in the foot in chasing clicks
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The imbalance in how dads are heard
Transformative role of fatherhood (part 2): Tips for new fathers so they can be understood and supported in parenthood
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Tips for new dads
- Managing expectations and feelings surrounding impending parenthood is important. Talk to your partner or other dads about what you expect fatherhood to be like and what kind of dad you expect or want to be;
- Pregnancy can be a difficult and stressful time for you and your partner. While you will support and help your partner, remember to focus on your own needs too including your mental wellbeing;
- Talk with other dads to find out how you can prepare for the birth and afterwards during those first initial months of fatherhood. Take the opportunity to talk about any worries, fears, or nervous excitement, and inform yourself as much as possible;
- Recognise that parenthood will come with highs and lows. Make sure to communicate how you’re feeling to your partner, close friend, or GP as necessary.
https://www.irishtimes.com/health/your-family/2022/06/28/imbalance-remains-in-how-dads-are-heard
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‘There’s nothing like holding your baby in your arms for the first time’
Transformative role of fatherhood (part 1): Fathers talk about the joys and challenges of being a parent and how confidence grows with experience
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A new one for me in a long line of "women worst affected" claims:
Action needed as inflation hits women hardest
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Two out of three men will not live long enough to gain from deferring their retirement age to 67
People who defer taking their state pension at 66 under radical plans being worked on by the Government would need to live for decades to get any payback from the move.
The Government plans to keep the state pension age at 66 – but people who continue working beyond that age and put off drawing on the state pension, will get a higher pension when they do eventually retire.
But the payback period for deferring taking the state pension, even for a year, is likely to take decades.
Despite getting a higher pension at age 67, it will take 21.1 years for person to get back the one year’s worth of pension that has been given up.
This means these people would need to live into their late 80s and early 90s to get any value from deferring taking the state pension, according to calculations by a pensions industry expert.
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Why is men dyeing their hair a societal grey area?
When Liam Gallagher posted a selfie on Instagram last week, appearing to sport new blond locks, all hell broke loose.
The snap, taken in Australia, where he’s on tour, and captioned, “Ey, blondie”, was quickly splashed across the tabloids and mocked on social media. It was as if the former Oasis frontman (49) was personally responsible for Ireland’s looming recession.
The politer comments compared him unfavourably to Boris Johnson or a late-1990s Robbie Williams, and said he’d spent too much time Down Under. The next day, Gallagher responded by calling his fans “lunatics” for even imagining he’d actually dyed his hair — it was, he said, “just the light n the sunshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine ffs”.
The fact remains that, in 2022, when you can choose your pronoun or change your gender, a man merely changing the colour of his hair still causes so much consternation.
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A fairly rare story that mentions concern for boys/males specifically
Plan to move parts of Leaving Cert exams to end of fifth year trigger warnings on impact on male students
SEC tells Norma Foley proposal to have first Irish and English papers sat a year early would ‘significantly disadvantage’ male students
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Question: My husband and I separated eight years ago and divorced last year.
We were essentially leading separate lives in the years leading up to our divorce and I didn’t apply for maintenance because we both run our own businesses and our children were young adults when we split.
We have ploughed our own furrows for a long time, but now our daughter is getting married and he has suggested we split the costs. This doesn’t seem fair to me as it’s traditional for the father of the bride to pay and also because he has always made more money than me.
I’m thinking of putting my foot down and refusing to pay, but I don’t want to cause animosity in the lead up to the wedding. What should I do?
So suddenly non-equal traditions there were set at a time when women often didn't work are being sought to be maintained.
I also have to wonder whether the woman might have got the family property in the settlement in which case the ex-husband now has to pay for a second property
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“Ask Allison: My fiancé earns four times my salary but insists we split everything 50/50. Should I marry him?”
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”We don’t do any activities together that we can’t afford 50/50 — for example, there were a group of our friends renting a house and because I couldn’t afford to pay 50pc of our costs, we didn’t go even though he could well afford to cover me. I have numerous other examples.”
From the therapist:
”Be specific — explain how it felt when you didn’t go on the trip. Did you feel embarrassed, how did it trigger you?”
This seems quite an emotive way at looking at. The woman might have been able to afford it if she had a better paying job or did overtime; or alternatively spent less. Also it’s hardly the first thing she hasn’t been able to afford in her life. But that is not mentioned.
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“When you ask, ‘Is he controlling me with money’, I don’t know — what I do know is that it isn’t working for you and how you want to live going forward. The research on a happy marriage isn’t about it being equitable. In fact, nearly the opposite — the ability of a man to allow his wife to influence him is correlated with a happier marriage.”
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“Is he controlling me with money?”
Seems to be an odd way to define being controlled with money (their finances are separate).
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Seems sexist:
So it was nearly a relief to find herself in need of a job. For the next decade, she juggled home responsibilities and part-time work in law firms, until a chance meeting in 1984 with an acquaintance who happened to mention “they were looking for a female judge” for the District Court bench.
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IAPI leads by example with its gender balancing act
There are more women in senior creative roles within the advertising industry than ever before, writes its president Charley Stoney
I haven’t read the full article but noticed this:
Thanks to the support of Diageo, IAPI runs an annual leadership coaching programme, Female Futures Fund, (link here Female Futures Fund) that enables 25 high potential women to learn the skills and overcome confidence issues that might otherwise prevent them from becoming industry chiefs.
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I see that the Irish Heart Foundation are running a campaign in September "Her Heart Matters"
https://irishheart.ie/campaigns/her-heart-matters-heart-month-2022
"to increase awareness of the risk of heart disease and stroke in women and the fact that this risk increases as women enter menopause."
Laudable aims.
2 minor comments:
- there seem to be more of these type campaigns highlighting issues women face than issues men face
- The Facebook ad for the campaign https://i.imgur.com/WvZHSAP.jpg says the same percentage of men and women die from heart disease without highlighting that men on average die quite a few years younger
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The Irish Women's Parliamentary Caucus are working on a specific issue. Probably the worst thing they could be working on but it still feels strange to have such a group within the Oireachtas.
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/womens-caucus/
Submissions on the Renewal of National Carers' Strategy
The National Carers’ Strategy 2012 signaled the Government’s commitment to recognising and respecting carers as key care partners and to responding to their needs across a number of policy areas. The Strategy sought to support carers in managing their caring responsibilities and to empower them to have a life of their own outside of caring.
The Irish Women's Parliamentary Caucus wish to invite people involved in the care economy to an open a conversation on what carers need now in terms of further supports. The Caucus will host a workshop in October and aim to bring the cross-party outputs and recommendations from this work to Government on updates to the strategy.
The mission of the Women’s Caucus is to:
bring together women members of the Oireachtas and European Parliament from all parties and none
work purposefully, promoting and supporting women’s participation in politics, nationally and locally
develop and advocate for legislation, policy and other initiatives addressing issues affecting women and society
advance the agreed agenda of the Caucus within political parties and other spheres of influence
Supporting Documentation:
If you have any documentation to support your submission, please email it to Womens.Caucus@oireachtas.ie
Data protection:
Before making your submission, please read our privacy statement: www.oireachtas.ie/privacy-and-data-protection/
This is a public process and your submission may be published as part of the work of the Women's Caucus.
This survey will take approximately 4 minutes to complete.
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Carrie Keegan lived on the streets for 16 years – now she’s shining a light on the fear that grips women sharing homeless services with men
The 39-year-old, who is now attending a college course, says female-only services are urgently needed
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Depaul, which provides four women-only services, has criticised the “chronic shortage” of accommodation and supports available for single women who are homeless in Ireland.
In 2021, it supported 681 women in homelessness across the Republic of Ireland and 291 women in Northern Ireland, while helping 141 women to move out of homelessness and into suitable and secure own-door accommodation.
Niamh Thornton, services manager at Depaul, said women entering its care were coming from “difficult situations”.
They are entering homelessness because of relationship or family breakdowns, domestic violence or other difficult life events.
“Women can delay reaching out for support in order to prevent homelessness, particularly if they are mothers as they fear losing their children,” she said.
“All of the indicators we have are that it’s a continuing problem that is going to increase, as things stand at the moment. There isn’t enough accommodation to meet demand at the moment.”
Female-only services could well be needed all right.
But one wonders whether calls like this could mean the would be more spaces available for women than men.
Also the wording above gives the impression that men may not be coming from "difficult situations".
And also the woman in this story "started drinking alcohol when she was nine, turned to drugs at the age of 12 and was 17 when she began taking heroin."
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Why are women who are upfront about wanting marriage and children treated like bunny-boiling deviants?
Behind a paywall but people can get an idea of what it discusses from the title.
My 2 cent would be that many men who do end up being fathers had no strong desire to be fathers but went along with it as they wanted to stay with their partner. In some cases, if those women had brought it up early when they were dating, the man might not have stayed in the relationship.
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I mentioned before that some people are given the wrong information about their genetics but that genetic testing might draw attention to this issue.
https://twitter.com/InsiderLife/status/1577957185778245632?s=20&t=8BYVCL9bsGpMK915FEx3mA
Deyerin told @thisisinsider that she'd always believed her father was African American.
https://twitter.com/InsiderLife/status/1577957375377547267?s=20&t=8BYVCL9bsGpMK915FEx3mA
Deyerin runs Right to Know, a nonprofit organization that helps people struggling to come to terms with their identity after finding out that one or both of their parents is not genetically related to them.
But when she showed the DNA-test results to her mother, who's white, her mother said she was the outcome of a one-night stand with a white man.
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Alesia Cohen Weiss, Kara Rubinstein Deyerin, David Wrate, and Gregory Loy met while doing an interview for Kiro News 7, “DNA Home Test Kits Reveal Family Secrets, Bring Unexpected Trauma.” They believe laws related to genetic information, identity, and family dynamics need to be updated to reflect the changing technology and social dynamics of the times. This belief developed into Right to Know.
With over-the-counter DNA testing, there is no such thing as anonymity any more. Adoption and donor conceived laws need to be updated with this reality. And family secrets that could be locked in the closet in the past, can no longer remain hidden.
Parents need to understand the devastating affects of suddenly learning you are not who you thought you were. Families now come in all shapes and sizes. We need to be open with children about their genetic parentage so there are no shocking surprises.
There should be no shame in knowing your genetic heritage.
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Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags/items I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)
I also threw in some other posts as I didn't want to post too frequently.
#TwitterHatesWomen
Irish Daily Mirror
102-year-old woman says secret to a long life is staying single and not getting married
Cathy Hillock, who recently celebrated her 102nd birthday, told fellow residents and staff that she credits the lack of men in her life as one of her secrets to reaching the milestone birthday.
#letwomenspeak
#WomenWontWheesht
Didn't trend but I thought I would mention:
Casual misandry that turned up in my Twitter feed (it had 43,000 retweets which is a huge amount) & 333k likes
https://twitter.com/awlilnatty/status/1546085370185515010?s=20&t=-q1yRXfxMMuFEI0bvZeIrA
"The truth about dating after 50: Some men are just looking for a place to live"
Comment: one wonders whether they would have used a similar title with the genders being reversed.
Also men may initially have had their own home and then lost it following a separation
#misogyny
#50sWomen
CNBC Make It
Serena Williams on retiring at 41: ‘If I were a guy, I wouldn’t’ have to choose between tennis and a family
https://twitter.com/i/events/1557048292411834369
[This is somebody who could easily afford any childcare she wanted]
"Period Dignity Officer"
POPSUGAR UK
Dating in 2022: Why Do So Many Straight Men Hate Astrology?
Women who stay single and don’t have kids are getting richerForgoing marriage and parenthood has a bigger payoff for American women than men, according to new research.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1565005060907704321
A popular post.
She said women never do it in a couple of responses!
https://twitter.com/chrissyfarr/status/1550206114184122368?s=20&t=E3zLQDNmJsjrKMZOfllhKg
Christina Farr @chrissyfarr
A friend told me the new term for Mansplaining:
Correctile Dysfunction
I died.
A couple of responses suggesting terms for when women do it:
My partner said “Ovaryaction” - I glared at him
https://twitter.com/resistang7/status/1550464731646918658?s=20&t=E3zLQDNmJsjrKMZOfllhKg
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I like that, mirrors testiculate, aka waving your arms about and talking bollocks.
I also use
Matronise == Patronise
Frillies for the Fillies == Toys for the Boys
Haven't found a == for emasculate yet.
https://twitter.com/mac499/status/1550474648067899395?s=20&t=E3zLQDNmJsjrKMZOfllhKg
Paywalled
"Did nobody give Sean Bean a heads-up to keep his views on sex scenes to himself? He’s a white man in his 60s, and even if what he blurts out is innocuous, there’s a high chance he will be vilified – which is exactly what happened this week"
"Nurse Who Won't Give Viagra to White Conservative Men Resigns"
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/976388
#LetWomenSpeak
Women-only initiative:
Best dressed lady (Dublin Horse Show)
International Day of Rural Women
Friday 14th October 2022
" NWC is organising a conference on women in rural Ireland to mark International day of rural women in Monaghan on Friday 14th October 2022. This is supported by the Department of Rural and Community Development."
Programme to shine spotlight on women's role in peace process
"Our aim is to ensure the peace heroines get the recognition they deserve and inspire the next generation of peace-builders," explained Melanie Lynch, founder of HERstory. "We want to write Herstory into history." The exhibition is now on display at the Glencree Centre for Peace and Reconciliation in Wicklow and later moves to Queen's University in Belfast and a number of other locations throughout Northern Ireland.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2022/0925/1325394-women-peace-process
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"Poor fitness levels a growing problem in recruiting gardaí, Dáil hears: Minister says target of hiring 800 new members of force this year will not be met"
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"Some 11,000 people applied to join An Garda Siochána in this year’s recruitment campaign for 800 gardaí including “many more women and many more from different backgrounds” said Ms McEntee."
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I wasn't sure exactly what that was saying, whether the recruitment campaign aimed to have many more women or whether many more simply applied this year.
It looks like it might be the former:
https://www.gardaip.com/garda-trainee-recruitment-january-2022-weve-got-you-covered/
"Garda Trainee Recruitment January 2022 – we’ve got you covered"
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"The Minister has urged people in new Irish and minority communities to apply. There will be a big emphasis on recruiting from new and diverse communities and improving gender equality."
https://www.garda.ie/en/careers/why-should-i-join-an-garda-siochana-/2022-notes-for-candidates.pdf
The Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland calls for a reflection of the diversity of Irish Society within An Garda Síochána, “diverse not only in gender and ethnicity, but also in socio-economic, educational and geographical background”. We welcome applications from any and all backgrounds with a view to reflecting the increasing diversity of Irish society in 2022 and beyond.
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It wouldn't be surprising given such comments if men were at a disadvantage over women in the recruitment process.
I wonder are the fitness requirements the same for men and women?
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Apparently Russian mothers and wives are happy about the mobilization cause it means $$$$
A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer
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Concern over increasing use of ‘parental alienation’ in custody disputes in family courts
Children are being removed from their preferred parents into the custody of allegedly abusive parents, advocates warn
Groups including Women’s Aid, the Rape Crisis Network of Ireland (RCNI) and the Men’s Development Network (MDN) are concerned about the increasing use of “parental alienation” (PA) in custody disputes in the family law courts, where domestic violence features.
In contrast, proponents of parental alienation welcome the increased awareness of what they say is a diagnosable syndrome, arguing it should be included as a “unique form of family violence” in the State’s domestic violence strategy. PA has the potential to damage children into adulthood as severely as sex abuse, they say.
“Psychologising children’s feelings of hostility to the absent parent runs significant risks which can cause tangible harms to the child,” says the MDN. “Many of the diagnostic features of PA could easily be attributable to more typical run-of-the-mill hostilities or anxieties which pertain to the separation.”
The MDN continues: “The term is often used as a direct response to allegations of domestic abuse, has a chilling effect on women coming forward to disclose abuse, and, in such circumstances, the focus should centre on the crime of coercive control as the prevailing context.”
Seems a very women-centred viewpoint for a men's group but then some may remember their association with the white ribbon :
Welcome to the White Ribbon Ireland Campaign page for 2022. White Ribbon is a campaign in over 60 countries worldwide which seeks to engage with men and boys on ending Violence against Women and Gender-Based Violence.
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More comments in the direction of suggesting women prisoners should be treated differently to male prisoners
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Keith Adams of the Jesuit Centre for Faith and Justice, which closely monitors conditions in which prisoners, says this case should be a catalyst for change.
“Women like this need mental health services, not imprisonment.
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Keith Adams said: "The rise in the female prison population has been rapid, unrelenting, and without respite. Women’s prisons in Ireland are now severely overcrowded. More than 200 women are detained in institutions with an ‘official’ capacity of 174 beds.
"The ongoing increase in the number of women in our female prisons is indicative of the Government’s continuing failure to respond appropriately to women who find themselves in conflict with the justice system."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41004944.html
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This person has earlier said that other options rather than prison should be looked at for women:
A social justice group has brought up the female prisoners issue in a press release:
Adams concluded: “Female imprisonment is the area of our justice system which should demonstrate the most restraint, but instead there has been a clear policy decision to imprison more women, despite the availability of other options. The design being tailored to women’s needs does not change the fact that a prison is still a prison.”
https://www.jesuit.ie/news/jcfj-alarmed-at-ministers-comments/
Similar people don't want more prison places to be created for women. In some ways it could be argued they are part of the reason for a lack of prison spaces for women.
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Also
In the Dóchas centre, multi-agency management meetings now always include all healthcare disciplines, chaplaincy and probation. It is “patient/prisoner centred”, she said, and meets weekly, chaired by the governor.
Given the Dochas centre is mentioned specifically I wonder does this mean similar meetings aren't always done from male prisoners or the male system is not set up like this.
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if you cant see the whole tweet, click into it, its a hoot in a tragic way
A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer
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Transport, building and finance firms to come under pressure to justify expected gender pay gaps
Under new law, Irish-based firms with over 250 staff have to report differences in average hourly wages between men and women
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Ryanair’s average hourly pay rate for males was 45.12pc higher than that for females last year – lower than 2020, due to pandemic furlough schemes, but still the highest in a selection of reports studied by the Irish Independent.
The company said it was “because the majority of our UK pilots are male, while the majority of our UK cabin crew are female” and insisted that “Ryanair females are paid identically to their male colleagues in each category.”
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A study by online job seeking service Recruiters.ie shows that women placed in new roles were paid on average 4pc more than men in 2022, a turnaround from before the pandemic, when men were paid 10pc more.
But Recruiters.ie’s managing director Gerard Doyle said one of the challenges he faces is getting women on to shortlists for top jobs.
“They tend to screen themselves out of the process,” he said. “It means males are getting the interviews, getting the jobs and getting the higher pay.”
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“Will gender pay gap reporting rules reveal the real reasons why women are paid less?”
There are some comments in this I think have some merit along with others I am sceptical about
E.g.
“ But (I reckon anyway) the disparity is mostly down to what women want - a combination of what career they choose and the hours they want to plough into it. For example, the European Parliament puts 30pc of the gender pay gap down to an over-representation of women in lower paying areas of work such as care and education.
So, is the answer to encourage more females to become software engineers and not primary school teachers? “Bring it on” is the obvious answer. But women have to want to go in to these careers – we can’t force them.”
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“I spent years trying to force my daughter to do football until I admitted defeat. If women want to be social workers and not engineers, that is ok. Many male-dominated sectors are better-paid, which will explain a gender pay gap. We should encourage more women in to these sectors, but this should not stop us paying workers in care and education more.”
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“ It would be great if the new reporting rules meant companies that do have a gender pay gap paid their employees in support services more.
It might force them to think radically. Why not include their cleaner in decision-making? Their different life experiences would be so valuable.”
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Revealed: New findings highlight gender pay gaps at Irish-based companies in the UK
Gulf is largest in law firms, transport companies, management consultants and banks
Tesco stores in the UK, where the pay gap was 9.3pc last year, have more male colleagues working Sundays, nights and bank holidays – shifts that pay premiums.
Laura Bambrick, head of social and employment affairs at the Irish Congress of Trade Unions (Ictu), said the problem is that women are less represented in “higher value jobs”.
“The difficulties in the pay gap is not valuing the type of work that is being done by women in the same way as it’s done by a man.
“You see it around primary school teaching and nursing. We value the types of professions that we see women in less than we do very male-dominated ones. That is an international thing.”
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It's more the other way around: men move to the jobs that are better paid while there is less pressure on women to "earn well". Men's ability to (i) attract and (ii) hold onto a mate is more strongly linked to their salary than it is for women.
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I had previously read about how the Istanbul Convention against violence against women might lead to further bias in favour of women. This gives examples:
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Abortion, gender identity may be excluded from curriculum by some schools, report warns
Report raises concerns about inadequate refuge spaces, precarious funding for services and lack of expertise on domestic violence
The report highlights that family law courts are also facilitating the use of the “much-discredited concept of parental alienation” which “may be used by the abusive partner to dismiss the children and/or mothers’ claim of violence perpetrated against the children and/or the mother”.
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The report makes 35 recommendations, including that the State: “remove the ethos clause from the Rules for National Schools and have full control over the curriculum”; that refuges with 500 spaces be established throughout the State – up from the current 319, and, that research critically discussing the concept of parental alienation and “documenting its harmful impact on women and children’s safety” be funded.
No mention it seems of increasing the number of refuge spaces for men [I had heard that in theory the Convention could be used to help men but that there hadn’t been much evidence of it in practice in the UK.
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An Post are paying for this Twitter ad.
It includes a video
https://twitter.com/Postvox/status/1598707661423403009?s=20&t=ZVnzH04aFKLoefbfzFoXuQ
An Post @Postvox
Official
We are so proud to report that we have achieved a Zero Gender Pay Gap for the second year in a row. Tune in to hear more as Sonya Lennon gets under the bonnet of An Post’s operations to hear the experience of women and men across the business and to tell our story so far.
I see they have sent out this press release. I have to wonder whether there is some gender discrimination against men. Certainly the Aspire program for women mentioned in the video could also be of interest to some men and the fact that it's not seems unfair.
https://www.anpost.com/Media-Centre/News/An-Post-Reports-Zero-Gender-Pay-Gap-for-a-second-y
An Post Reports Zero Gender Pay Gap for a second year
30 November 2022
- First company to report zero for two years in a row
- Female Representation on Senior Management Group increases from 33% to 41%
- An Post commits to driving female recruitment and progression
- Recruitment drive to attract more diverse talent for vital sorting and delivery roles
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I think there was a thread on Men's Sheds in the past but I can't find it in the recent threads so thought I would post this here.
Unfortunately it is behind a pay wall
Men’s Sheds: ‘It’s good to share the problems associated with ageing and to know that we are not alone’
The onset of ageing can pose numerous challenges to men’s physical and mental wellbeing. Accessing support and engaging with activity-based outlets like Men’s Sheds can help maintain positive interactions and connections
“Also, I (and the other Shed members) have attended digital one-to-one classes in Coláiste Chraobh Abhann, Kilcoole, to improve digital skills. This has been great, and the social interaction between the transition year students and the older (elderly) pupils is also a big factor.”
Men’s Shed members don’t just give their minds a workout at their weekly meeting, as the father of three also enjoys gardening and gentle physical exercise, which he says has been a great way of helping him cope with his arthritis.
“In addition to the exercise classes, we have also been involved in various projects such as maintaining the church grounds, making Goosander nesting boxes for a nature preservation project in Glendalough, making a buddy bench for the local school and making nesting boxes available when needed,” he says.
But while the Wicklow man really enjoys the activities he has engaged in over the years in his local Men’s Shed group, he says the friends he has made are the biggest bonus as everyone really looks out for each other.
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“As we get older we have to deal with a lot of issues; including deteriorating physical health, bereavement, loneliness following retirement and children leaving home, reduced mobility, drop in socioeconomic status and maybe even elder abuse,” she says. “All of these things impact on quality of life, and physical health is very closely related to mental health, so depression in older people, particularly men, can be a huge problem.
“Traditionally and culturally, men of a certain age found it difficult to express emotions, perhaps because they have been brought up to believe that they have to be the provider, be strong and never cry — so it is important for people to watch out for signs that the older men in our lives need some help.”
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"Labour Party Leader Ivana Bacik was awarded a PhD for her research on Feminist Criminology at Trinity College last week"
Feminist criminology sounds like an inherently biased field/topic.
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“Amend, don’t delete, Article 41.2 to ensure equality and attach value to the work of carers”
Orla O'Connor
“Care is the single biggest issue facing women in Ireland. From a young age, girls are taught that they should provide care to those around them. As girls grow up, this translates into an over-representation of women in the “caring professions” – which do not command the same salaries as those, for example, in the male-dominated STEM or tech sectors”
I’m not convinced.
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“The Citizens’ Assembly is not the only body to recommend a change instead of the deletion of 41.2 to the Oireachtas Committee. The Constitutional Convention, the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, and the UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women have all made similar recommendations. All recognise the critical importance of care work”
I didn’t know of this UN committee. I wonder how it works in relation to Ireland. My guess is there is no similar committee looking at discrimination against men in Ireland?
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On a general note on care roles, I’ve noticed women more than men reduce their hours of paid employment or stop working altogether to take on caring responsibilities. Caring can certainly be hard; working full-time and also caring is also very hard.
Also being the sole or main breadwinner is a lot responsibility. And I imagine in some cases when a woman cuts back on her work or stops altogether to care, her male partner ends up working harder e.g. looking for more responsibility, more hours, etc. but often only the woman’s sacrifice is noted.
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More female lorry drivers among goals in road haulage plan
Government sets out 10-year targets in first strategy document for road transport industry
Encouraging more women to become lorry drivers and building distribution hubs to reduce truck congestion in cities are among the targets in the Government’s first strategy plan for the road haulage industry.
I wonder whether this might lead to some discrimination against men?
And this adds to the imbalance in terms of the number of careers where there are efforts to bring in more women compared to the number of careers where there are efforts to bring in more men.
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