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N22 - Macroom to Ballyvourney (Macroom Bypass) [open to traffic]

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tarmac now down past Kilnagurteen overbridge. That’s only 800m from the junction at Millstreet Road.

    There’s about a weeks work left until they have got to Millstreet Road. Surely we’ll be hearing about an early opening soon at this rate



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 bypasser


    That’s the CBGM layer you see gone past Kilnagurteen - it just looks like tar as it has been sprayed with a black bitumen sealer to let it “cure”. Has to be left for 7 days before you can lay tar on it. A separate tar crew have laid binder course (2nd last layer of tar) up past Bealick Mill and are continuing west towards Gurteenroe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Anyone willing to make a prediction on the potential partial opening date?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 fullasanegg


    I'll go with early November, while Micheal Martin is still taoiseach and gets to open it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I'm going to go even more optimistic and say October. For no technical reason other than it looks so far advanced already, and the difference it will make to everyone's journey and the general quality of life in Macroom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    It could open with one lane each way at a reduced, 60 km/h, limit and it would still be a huge relief to Macroom.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 glanmiredj


    Latest look at entire route far as county bounds

    https://youtu.be/oGh-HR-CoQU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    Kerry Fine Gael TD and Deputy Government Chief Whip, Brendan Griffin, has received positive indications that part of the new N22 Cork-Kerry road could open early.


    https://killarneyadvertiser.ie/news/part-of-new-cork-kerry-road-could-open-early/?fbclid=IwAR3azA-A9efWBTf_OrNd0iDNr_aOKD-cT6-WYITyp4h0jes9UbJu1S2B0Q8

    Post edited by dmeehan on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    Motorists warned of major disruption on N22 Macroom/Ballyvourney bypass

    Road users travelling to Cork are being warned of major disruption on the N22 Macroom/Ballyvourney bypass which is due to last for several months.

    For the next two weeks, starting from Monday, there’ll be a 24 hour stop/go system between Coolcower and Two-Mile bridge.

    Cork Fine Gael councillor Eileen Lynch is advising motorists to be mindful of delays and to allow thirty minutes extra for their journey.

    https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/motorists-warned-of-major-disruption-on-n22-macroom-ballyvourney-bypass-286990



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    It's going to be vile, but here's hoping that they get good weather and are finished before the two weeks. I'm not going to Killarney until this is sorted!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Just two questions.

    First, is the west-bound side of the old N22 being left in place as a segregated straight-on lane to facilitate west-bound traffic not entering the new bypass.

    My second question is why no similar segregated lane for east-bound traffic coming off the new bypass



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This is the new layout at Coolcower

    The existing N22 will be gone entirely, it’s just remaining partially there at the minute to facilitate temporary traffic management



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 bypasser


    Updated layouts attached. Old N22 will form a separate private access road for properties on south side of new Eastbound link road with a dedicated link on to the new roundabout.




  • Registered Users Posts: 44 peter.teahan


    Does the new road look very narrow or is it just me? I'm hearing no hard shoulder? It will never make motorway grade down the road?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    I think it looks extremely narrow, glad it's not just me. Is it really 2x2 lanes the whole way, or just some of the way? I suppose it'll make sense when we see it fully built.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It was never meant to be a motorway. 2+2 is a standard that's now being used all over the country. It's not narrow, it's 4 lanes wide. No hard shoulder, but two lanes in each direction with a metal barrier separating the each side of the road.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    It’s 2+2, about 16/17m wide. It’ll never need to be upgraded to motorway with the traffic volumes it’s taking so it’s more than good enough.

    Ovens-Macroom will need to be motorway grade but you know the world we live in now and the chances of that happening anytime soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 RockCastle


    An update video from the Council put up on Friday. It was taken on the 23rd June which is over two weeks ago and great to see the first finishing coat down beyond the Millstreet junction even back then, they are really moving.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0uHFSqHY2g&t=616s



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    More finishing work being done at the Coolcower roundabout today, lighting columns are in and fencing and barriers are going in on the water facing side.

    Final surface seems to be going down on some of the approaches too so perhaps traffic will be switched to the new roundabout soon

    EDIT: Cork bound traffic being switched to the roundabout from tomorrow afternoon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Would having a hard shoulder not make the road safer?

    makes no sense to b cutting corners in a project of this scale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001



    There is a 0.5 m hard strip at the left-hand side, where a car can pull in in an emergency, and that leaves enough space for other traffic to go around them (and in many places cars can park up onto the verge and be completely off the road). The reason for hard shoulders on motorways was so that a breakdown didn't leave a car in the traffic lanes (remember that when motorways were first built across Europe, they had no speed limits). But this is not a motorway, it has a 100 km/h speed limit, and breakdowns really aren’t something that happens these days.

    A hard shoulder would make the road far more expensive, not very much safer, and would almost never be used.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    There’s also emergency lay-bys every 2km or so along the route in the event a driver needs to pull in for some reason



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Jermaine Harsh Leotard


    Hi all, can I ask, does this bypass mean M8 / Macroom is now the best route from the North / Dublin to Killarney ? Previously I would have used M7 / Newcastle West. I'm also towing so I would prioritise quality of road over time to an extent (which is why I don't use M8 / Mallow).



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Jermaine Harsh Leotard


    Did not know about the N21 bypasses in planning, thanks.



  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Longer in distance but faster in time when this project is completed. And an overall better driving experience too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001



    You can’t argue that the mechanical reliability of cars isn’t far, far higher today than in the 1950s when the first motorways and dual carriageways were designed. You see a lot of breakdowns because it’s your job, but I’ve seen maybe two or three in the last year on open roads. And there’s very few failures are so catastrophic that you can’t drive slowly for less than 2km to the next refuge. That includes running out of fuel, but frankly, there’s no excuse for that on this road.

    Other countries don’t even have hard shoulders on their single carriageway roads, and still manage good safety statistics. I don’t know what “1970s dual carriageways” you’re referring to, as anything in Ireland dating from back then has long since been upgraded to a motorway due to high traffic levels. This road won’t have anything like that much traffic, is engineered to a very high standard, and has long sight-lines, so if a vehicle needed to stop in an emergency and couldn’t reach one of the laybys, anyone arriving later would literally have minutes to decide how to not run into them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    N71 has the same minimal hard shoulders as the new N22 road, and there are parts of the Northbound “carriageway” that have none at all. See for yourself: N71 - Google Maps , N71 - Google Maps. This road is inadequate for the volume of traffic along N71 (around 20,000 a day), but it’s going to be really, really expensive to improve it. For comparison, this new stretch of N22 will carry around 10~12,000 vehicles a day when open.

    N18 Limerick-Cratloe has average daily traffic of 40,000 vehicles. That’s why it is built to a higher standard. N22 will have just over a quarter of that volume.

    The old N1 Swords bypass was built as the main Dublin-Belfast road with expectations of 30~40,000 vehicles per day, that’s why it’s wider. It’s the oldest of the schemes you mention, as it was designed in the early 1980s, and opened in 1984.

    (N71 was bodged together in the mid 1990s: Nortbound is the actually the old road, Southbound is new; Northbound was heavily reworked in the early 2000s because the old “just use the old alignment” approach was lethal. Swords opened in 1984; N18 Bunratty bypass is the oldest part of this road, dating from 1992, but it was reworked in the late 2000s as part of the M18 and Shannon Tunnel approaches)

    Northern Ireland really is not relevant, as the NI Roads Service uses completely different design standards (which are different in some ways to the rest of the UK too - each nation has its own independent Highways Agency), but you might look at the recently-dualled A6 to see what is considered best-practice up there these days. The Google car hasn’t got there yet, so here’s a picture - note the shoulders, or lack of:

    Officially, they call this type of road “high quality dual carriagway”, incidentally. Down here, we only use that term for Motorway-standard roads, but that’s more because we have very few “low quality” dual carriageways left on the national network for comparison. (N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton is the only one I can think of, with its multiple median crossings)

    And Electric Vehicles are not in any way less reliable than traditional cars. They have less than a dozen moving parts, compared to over a thousand in a combustion-engined vehicle - there really isn’t much to go wrong: the fact that a company like Tesla can get away with such sloppy assembly tells you just how fundamentally reliable an EV drivetrain is. Sure, they can run out of battery - but again, your car running out of fuel is not an accident, regardless of what the fuel is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Dromod to Roosky is the same standard and I don't think there has been any major problems with them. If someone does break down in a bad spot, sightlines are good enough and traffic low enough that you can get out to the overtaking lane without a problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭confidentjosh


    The latest drone footage from DroneHawk. Includes some very impressive mid air gymnastics!

                 Macroom Bypass Stage 1 nears completion      



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Confirmed in de paper yesterday also that the Council are in discussions with the contractors about an early opening later this year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭Baldilocks


    is the plan to open the bypass as far the Millstreet road, or further west (Carrigphuca)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    No-one is sure yet. Opening to the Millstreet road would free up the centre of Macroom but it would be messy getting back to the current N22. Opening to Carrigphuca is tricky as there is no junction there. I still feel that is more likely though - some form of temporary terminus I'm sure would be possible there, and would get Macroom done and dusted anyway.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Purely speculation on my part but the fact that they’re in discussions with the contractor would suggest to me they’re looking at Carrigaphooca. Opening as far as Millstreet Road would be a simple job as soon as the contractor have handed over that section



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    If the project was to have been handed over only when complete, the council would have to re-negotiate with the contractor for any kind of phased opening, including to Millstreet Road. Depending on where site compounds are, losing the Eastern section may make things more difficult to complete works on the western section, or may require construction traffic to come back onto the current local roads. My guess is that it’ll open with one lane each way, with two rows of cones down the middle to reserve a through-way for construction traffic.

    If the Millstreet road junction is “messy” for rejoining the old N22, it will only be a temporary measure for Kerry-bound traffic, and it’s a lot, lot better than having that traffic driving through Macroom. Remember that the reason it’s so hard at the moment to turn right here is that you have to wait a very long time for a gap in the constant stream of traffic coming from your left, out of Macroom. That stream of traffic won’t be there anymore.

    Carrigaphuca is a non-starter... the height difference means that there’s no safe way to connect the new road to the old, even temporarily. You can see that in the video posted above (at 5’51”: https://youtu.be/MweBNq8nU40?t=351 ). It would be really expensive, and possibly dangerous, and it only bypasses a section of the old road that doesn’t have traffic issues anyway. It’s not worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    "My guess is that it’ll open with one lane each way, with two rows of cones down the middle to reserve a through-way for construction traffic."

    We don't do this that much (at all?) in the South, but up North, they do it regularly - it was done around Castledawson on the A6 during the recent construction, and further along the A6, it is currently being done on the Dungiven->Derry section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I was thinking that - at about 5:58 you can see the barriers across the new road - I reckon they could do a wide sweeping hairpin onto the temporary construction ramp and down onto the old road at a T junction of sorts. It's do-able I think, but I wouldn't be an expert on it. The gradient is no worse than what they have temporarily on the M8 at Dunkettle.

    Going to Millstreet Road.... thats fine too as long as people realise it would be for the benefit of Macroom itself, and not to save time for drivers. The route back to the N22 plus the new road would be about the same off peak as ploughing through Macroom itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    It’s worse than it looks. The drone camera is compressing the difference in heights. If you’ve driven near there it’s a pretty steep incline from the re-routed old road up to the new mainline. They’re not doing temporary tie-ins at Dunkettle because they think it’s good, but because have no choice. Also, that’s a 60 km/h limit, with traffic lights and enough traffic movements in place to keep the real speed close to that. On this scheme there is an alternative to a temporary tie-in, and that temporary tie-in wouldn’t be on a controlled junction, but in a remote area with a high chance of people driving far above the posted speed.

    If they did do a tie-in, I fully expect it would result in some fool driving their car through a barrier late one winter evening, and then the cost of the inevitable court-case against the council and the contractors will delay the project, and guarantee there will never be another partial opening of anything, ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    ...like I almost did on the Banbridge bypass! They were doing roadworks late one night, and it was a very poorly signposted diversion where you did a hairpin turn and went up the onramp, if that makes sense. Absolutely terrifying.

    I hope they do go to Carrigphooca and just work out a way somehow!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭cantalach


    The N30/N25 New Ross Bypass is another fairly new road that has no hard shoulder for most of its length. Only the slightly busier section on either side of the bridge at the western end of the route is HQDC - the remainder is 2+2. I’ve travelled it many times and it is a perfectly safe design for the relatively low traffic volume.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Just a small correction in the interests of accuracy regarding the N18 where you said “N18 Bunratty Bypass is the oldest part of this road”. It’s actually kind of the opposite. The old Shannon Dual Carriageway as we locals called it ran from Coonagh Roundabout to just east of Bunratty Castle. It opened in phases starting from the late-70s if I recall correctly. The dual carriageway resumed to the north-west of Bunratty and ran through Hurler’s Cross until the eastern edge of Shannon Town (this original road went to Shannon and you actually exited to the right for Ennis!). There were daily traffic jams going through Bunratty until they finally opened the bypass in the early-90s, effectively completing the Shannon Dual Carriageway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭cargo




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Not that I’ve heard but work on the Macroom bypass section is roaring ahead now again now that the builders holidays is over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭arrianalexander


    Any updates on progress ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Ambush Rebel 2010


    Roundabout at Coolcower is 90% complete and I would expect it to be fully functioning shortly.

    As for the Macroom section of the bypass, It looks like surface is almost ready with tidy ups to do.

    Works on the dividing barrier has started but early stages as well as lining yet to commence.

    Has it been confirmed what will happen on the western end? Will traffic be brought back onto the existing route via Millstreet cross or will a temporary solution be put in at Carrigaphooca?

    Post edited by Ambush Rebel 2010 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Thats still the golden question. No information on where a temporary tie in will be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Gunner3629




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Here’s Carrigaphuca where the new road crosses the old - just west of the overbridge. I’ve marked the only practical option for a tie-in in orange, but I’m still sceptical that they’ll actually do this - there’s a difference in levels, and connecting the roads here would create a nasty temporary junction between the old N22 and the new route right on a bend, just after a roundabout. The “old N22” will still be fairly busy with local traffic here.




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