Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

It seems that you have a problem with the truth, perhaps you should get out more, what you hear on our agenda driven media is not always what's happening on the ground.

I'm not undermining anyone, nor do I put a gun to their heads demanding information. Some of their kids play with ours, the (adult) ones with some english seem anxious to practice it and get more fluent and chat away with my OH and myself and many others. I guess for the sake of having something to talk about they tend to go on and on about the comings and goings at their hotel. It is obvious that the recent overcrowding is bothering them. I never told them that they were not welcome or otherwise but I did ask them if they plan to return home any time soon seeing that their next school year starts in September. It is obvious that they see their future here, if not in Ireland definately in the EU. They encourage their kids to speak english and go out of their way to ensure that they mix on a daily basis with the local kids (to learn english) so that they can keep up when they return to school. One had a baby recently and she is actively looking for her own apartment and two more will pop in the coming months - I guess they'll be entitled to full citizenship. War on no war life goes on.

€135 we are paying per day to house each Ukrainian Refugee, on top of that we are paying their weekly. WhoTF gave this the go ahead? A fecking disgrace. Disgusting abuse of our money.

If current numbers are correct (39,000 Ukrainian Refugees), it could be costing us €5,265,000 PER DAY!! To house these before they get their other benefits.

To all the people that are defending this blindly, can you not at least admit that that is a big waste of our money. That is €36,855,000 Per Week. Again, that is before their other benefits.

Imagine for one minute, we paused this program for a week. Just for one week. We could fecking import a shitload of modular homes, cabins, whatever you want, or convert a derelict hotel or 10 easily to accommodate them and our own homeless. But no. We must cram them all in now and pay absolute top rate for them. Ridiculous. Even if we halved the amount, I doubt anyone would complain and it would STILL be too much. €67.50 per day house each individual.

Suckit, you'd be monaing no matter what.

1: DP is for asylum seekers - not Ukrainians.

2: if they were in tents, you'd be complaining that this means we are "full"

3: If they are accommodated in State housing, you'd whinge about them being given houses to live in

4: If someone let a Ukrainian stay in their house, you'd be moaning about that too and demanding they let an Somalian live with them instead

You'll just shift the goalposts constantly. Like the other poster who moans and moans but tries to apply a veneer by throwing in the odd "I never said we shouldn't help genuine Ukrainian refugees" but, conveniently self-defines "genuine Ukrainian refugee" to be some "destitute" person who can't afford to leave Ukraine. It would be a bit like me saying that I'd never refuse a request for financial help from "a real friend", but having my own definition of "a real friend" as being someone who wouldn't ask me for money.

Instead of moaning, tell us what you want? If you want an end to DP, then you can call for that. That is what your twitter buddies above want. They want DP ended. But not in a "kick them out" way ended. They want it in a "immediately be granted a permanent house and access to full social welfare upon filling out their form" way. Is that really what you want?

OK so you want Africans + Ukranians looked after. That's fair enough IMO.

Basic 101.

Being allowed to apply for "International Protection" (i.e. asylum) is listed a human right. While that application is being processed, people who have no other status here are allowed to remain. These are currrently housed in DP rather than being immediately given their own house and full SW (some people call for the latter.....usually those in DP...but apparently some also on this thread)

Ukrainians are here under the EU temporary protection Directive. So they are entitled to a number of things such as access to housing and right to work. That status gives them rights something similar to if they were Irish or other EU citizens. (If you are an Irish person with nowhere to live, you will be given some form of housing/shelter. That doesn't mean you will be given the house you want where you want it, but that there are places where they will put you for the night etc.)

The only solution to your conundrum vis-a-vis difference in treatment between Ukrainians and Asylum Seekers would be to demand that Asylum Seekers be given the same rights as the Ukrainians (and hence basically the same rights as an Irish person). So that is obviously what you are indeed demanding. You are entitled to call for that if you want but I won't support you on it.

Hilarious coming from you and your history on boards. I don't think there is a thread you have posted on, that you're not moaning.

And your point? Why mention that? The tweet I posted is referring to where the Refugees are hosted

Eh... Yeah, because we are full. Not sure how that is so difficult for you to understand. If I have a jar of beans, and somebody hands me more beans. Whether or not I have to put them into a bowl or on the counter does not change the fact that the jar is full.

If the houses were given to them ahead of others, then yep, I probably would be against it.

If... If... Maybe.. Possibly... I wonder.... Oh, DT you know me so well, and yet you don't really know me at all..

Again, rich coming from you, I doubt you are even sure where your goalposts are. As for the rest of that paragraph.. meh.

I have repeated what I agree should be done, even in the post you just quoted. All I have seen from you is attempts at crap humour, equally poor attempts at smamy remarks to deflect, under the impression that it looks smart. Any questions that you deem unanswerable you pop up with some nonsense quote from somebody and then disappear.

How about you tell us what you want DT, and do it without hiding behind other quotes that allows you to shift if it becomes too difficult to defend.

Read your tweet again. "WESTMEATH DIRECT PROVISION CENTRE 𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐛𝐲 𝐑𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐢𝐞 𝐑𝐨𝐝𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 €𝟑𝐦"

I wonder how long it will be before the reduced rates are raised under the immense pressure they are creating for themselves. If I was housing one, I would want €135 a day if that's the going rate.

Maybe you can answer this now?

Extraordinary the denials continue regarding we're we are now in relation to this crisis. But spare a brief moment to consider this sad but predictable news.

Just think had even a fraction of the effort gone into tackling, even one of many crisis in Ireland, long before the Ukrainian crisis started what might have been achieved.

It's extraordinary to think 10,492 people technically homeless in Ireland just 22 shy of the highest monthly tally ever in 2019.

In a normal situation this would be disgraceful, frankly given all the Virtue Signalling, Blatant hypocrisy, Discrimination and inequality that's been evident over the past 6 months , it's now become outrageous.

7K more Ukrainian refugees arriving by the end of August folks , cost of living crisis spiralling out of control, its going to be a very, very bleak winter for many and Not just Ukrainian refugees.

I think know you are wrong again DT. Nothing new there so.

Again wrong DT. But sher, you have your own agenda, What is it again. Oh yeah, you want to help the poor refugees no matter what the cost or unnecessary urgency, as long as we can rush them in and give them citizenship it's all good. It doesn't matter to you that you can't grasp the concept of full up, or burning money, just as long as you can label people on the local forum using whatever you seem to take from partially reading some of their posts incorrectly.

I am fairly sure you read a part of peoples posts and then blurt out something coupled with accusations of racism or bigotry etc. As that way it seems (to you at least) that you have some sort of a point to make.

Not sure why everyone feels the need to requote any links I have posted, or tell me who/what I quoted.

We don't know if the Ukrainian Refugee requested it though, or if the employer can't afford to have them on the books so to speak. So they are doing their best to help them, by employing them, cash in hand. Isn't that what we are told to be doing?

Where's me free calls, charger and sim card? and whatever else is going..