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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,586 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We you ever wake up and actually look at wind capacity of 33% actually means ? It means exactly sweet F.A. when the real time generation by wind for extended periods is 6% and less. On your own figures for those periods, not just wind, but all renewables were providing just 360mw of peak demand of 6000.

    So how are you going to achieve providing the other 5,640mw required? Storage is pie in the sky for that volume for extended periods, so adding more turbines is the only other option I can see and that is going to require at least 16X greater than we presently have installed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Can I see a report that shows the min wind speed in a high pressure weather scenario off the coast of Ireland where the wind turbines are to be located at a height of whatever the wind turbines will be please.

    I presume you have that report to backup that claim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Some bad stuff coming if it happens to be true...

    Ireland’s green agenda-loving government is set to impose an emissions cut of around 28 per cent on farmers, a report has claimed.


    Charlie McConalogue, Ireland’s Minister for Agriculture, is already planning to force an either 27 or 28 percent cut to the nation’s farming sector, which will greatly disrupt and upend local businesses, not to mention damage an already fragile food supply.

    Some even further-left interests are pushing for a 30 percent cut, which would likely devastate the nation’s food economy past the point of recovery – which seems to be the goal, quite frankly.

    “A target of 30 percent would result in significantly reduced production, which could devastate the farming sector in Ireland,” warned Irish Farmers’ Association president Tim Cullinan.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    windy.com is a handy resource. Lets you look at winds at different heights too by using the slider on the right

    Unfortunately it jumps from 100m to 600m which is a bit irritating when a lot of the newer offshore turbines sit around the 200-300m mark but I guess one could split the difference if rough estimates were all thats needed

    On the flipside its a fantastic resource for illustrating the wind speed differences (and therefore power generation) between onshore and offshore locations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    I’d take both the great reset and Breibart with a large chunk of salt, there are better publications that show how ridiculous this idea is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Lotta salt yet stuff like this gets reported there first. Could be to test waters to see what reaction might be. Leaks and all. Netherlands went for it and had some protests we constantly hear how bad it is to have such a big herd and that something has to be done...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,243 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah, energy efficiency is definitely a big part of the mix. BEVs are much much more efficient than ICE, Heat Pumps are way more energy efficient than combustion based heating and modern building methods and materials can make homes much more energy efficient on top of this.

    We need to get a circular economy going, which the EU are finally starting to take notice of.

    Solar PV recycling is going to be a big industry with a lot of valuable raw materials that can be reasonably easily extracted for re-use

    https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/18/theres-big-money-in-recycling-materials-from-solar-panels/

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    ‘Rystad projects that solar PV waste will grow to 27 million tonnes per annum by 2040, and they estimate that recovered materials from retired panels could make up 6% of solar investments by 2040, compared to only 0.08% today.’

    Could recover 6%, that’s tiny from an industry that’s toxic.


    300 times more toxic waste than high-level nuclear waste FFS!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Can you look at this information historically I wonder?

    That way we could see what wind speed was in the area proposed for moneypoint one and two, when we had that low wind weather system.

    We would be able to measure the min GWH generated at the lowest wind speeds then as we would know the proposed amount of wind turbines involved in the above projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    This it what drives me mad about ER, he only looks at what fits his decarbonise policy, we'll never get there if the lights go out this winter, he needs a short and a long term plan, he only has a long term plan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,586 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Does it show the lowest wind speed and for how extended those periods are, because if it does not it is worth jack to determine the number of turbines that would be required at that wind speed to ensure a 100% reliable supply as we already know that for on-shore wind it would require a minimum of 16 times greater than the number we presently have.

    In case you are thinking of comparing on-shore and of-shore average capacity, save yourself the time as it`s not worth jack either. There is no such thing as a constant wind average. Engineering design is based on worst case scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,243 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yes it's Eamon Ryans' fault, not Enda Kenny or Denis Naughton or Leo Varadker or Alan Kelly, all of whom were in power when the gas reserve was scheduled to be shut down, and none of them decided that it was worthwhile to find a replacement

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    To which you may add: in favour of EVs but let all the dirty minerals required for huge batteries be mined in third world countries. And when the batteries are knackered send them off there for 'recycling' i.e. dumping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    We’ll finally. Some sense from an acolyte 😆.

    But seriously he’s had nearly three years to remedy this or even draw attention to it- but he hasn’t has he?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And the generation now, who whilst blaming us, insist on having their cheap flights a few times a year for mini breaks. And the best of modern tech, throw the old stuff in the bin and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    I have to laugh at our over the top attempts with carbon tax and the likes and India and china cancel out what we do in a year in a week, yet we are killing ourselves to "make a difference" its like its some form of virtue signaling or something.

    It should be from the big dogs down, USA, China, India ect then start worrying about the likes of Ireland and our carbon foot print. We definitely need to do it but the way we are doing it is stupid and ironically unsustainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,586 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The opposite if anything. Banning exploration and attempting to ban LNG, never mind keeping his hands warm sitting on them in relation to Barryroe. Some here are as bad. Cheering on protests by a few nutcases protesting about gas plants that are all that is between us and major blackouts.

    It`s all about the ideology of people who do not live in the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "my point stands, Greens and green environmentalists are not capable of facing basic facts based on actual (lack) performance of installed wind, which leads to extended periods of use of gas and coal as there are no viable storage solutions (in a country that doesn’t even have gas storage)"

    I think that might be because most of them don't live and/or wouldn't live near an installation of industrial wind turbines. Those of us that do have to put up with them, and can look out the window, as I can do now and notice that the bloody things are just barely turning and one is stopped dead.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its so amusing how so many are so triggered by the man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Doubt it will be amusing if we run out of gas.

    Besides I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but some of the policies he represents make no sense and are quite dangerous to be honest. His energy policy being one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,243 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I like the Earth.nullschool.net site myself.

    The difference in wind potential between onshore and offshore is really huge

    For example, right now, on the windiest part of Ireland, surface winds are about 17kph,

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    But offshore the wind at the surface peaks at about 36kph

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    At 112m above sea level you can add another 6kph, and a few more at 200m asl

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    These wind speeds would generate a lot of energy, even on a day that is mostly calm onshore, and Offshore wind farms can generate energy from lower wind speeds as their turbines are so much bigger.

    People mentioned 2021 as an exceptionally calm period where we generated almost no energy from wind.

    Here's what the wind looked like on September 16 across Ireland and the UK. (this was the date Fortune wrote an article about low wind power in the UK

    https://fortune.com/2021/09/16/the-u-k-went-all-in-on-wind-power-never-imaging-it-would-one-day-stop-blowing/

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    Not much wind over the Land, or to the east of the UK, but loads and loads of wind off the Irish west coast.

    This is a perfect example of why the European grid needs interconnectors, and why Ireland can benefit hugely from adding excess capacity off shore. When it's calm off the UK, it's likely to be windy off Ireland, or sunny in Europe, or windy in the north sea, or the irish sea etc.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Thanks for that Akrasia.

    There must be a report from someone (wind energy industry?) showing the min wind speeds at 100m year round at the site of moneypoint one and two?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,260 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Because for a party that only 7% of those who bothered to show up last time voted for, him and his ilk are making policy decisions based on ideology, fantasy and scaremongering - while in the real world people are struggling with their fuel costs as it is, never mind the pain ahead when the cold weather sets in.

    Won't affect Eamon and his bunch though, and it certainly won't make a difference to the output of the likes of China, the USA, India, Russia etc, but the Greens will get a good dose of de feelz so who cares about that, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    So all 🍰 in the 🌫 stuff. No surprise there then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    We are a pack of fcuking mugs we are in this country for putting up with this sh1te.

    We have a national herd of cattle that numbers about 6 million. Brazil has a national herd of cattle that numbers about 232 million.

    We are being asked/forced/pressured to reduce our herd number by between 20% - 30%. Brazil are planning to increase their national herd by 24 million by 2030.

    Why the fcuk are we bothering.

    Sorry for my tone, I'm fairly fcuking annoyed.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Some even further-left interests are pushing for a 30 percent cut, which would likely devastate the nation’s food economy past the point of recovery – which seems to be the goal, quite frankly.

    This I've seen various green lunatics on social media claiming we don't need agriculture at all. That we can produce all the food we need in factories from amino acids and whatnot. And that we should turn over the countryside to Eamons wolves etc.

    These are same ones screaming the loudest unfortunately. If we hand the management of our agricultural sector over to the eejits, we may as well pack our bags because this lot don't give a **** about Ireland being the most food secure country in the world or that our agricultural sector is a very important part of the economy and many peoples lives. But sure as long as we have cycling lanes and imported synethic food and we are the best boys in Europe for shooting ourselves in both feet who cares!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Its hillarious how many seem to be triggered by this thread. The idea of anyone being critical of green policies and those pushing them. I mean splutter splutter outrage - How dare they!



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I called it, agri sector emissions target is set to be 25%

    and in a move that will surprise no-one, farmers say they can't do it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,265 ✭✭✭amacca


    When will flights be curtailed do you think?

    Heard a lady on RTE the other day saying other industries had already cut by 60% ..... she neglected to mention which ones, you wouldn't know would you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    No the Greens won’t solve climate change there is no fix, if humans stopped emissions today it would still take 2000 years for CO2 levels to go back to pre industrial levels naturally.

    What is happening now is policies are being introduced to try to fend off the worst of whats coming not whats happening now.

    maybe you or I won’t be around in 80 years but your kids or younger relatives will and it’s them who will have to live in world that no human has ever lived in.

    No the Greens won’t solve climate change but humanity might but certainly not while naysayers like you are living in the past choked by old ideas. The Stone Age didn’t end for the lack of stone!



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