Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

DP people are here being processed for claims for international protection. International protection is classified as a human right and any application must be processed (even if patently a chancer) and the person looked after while that is being done.

Ukrainians are here because they have been given permission to stay in the EU and work. One consequence of this is that it eliminates the necessity for them to apply for international protection.

You are welcome to protest that any and every person arriving in and saying "I want international protection" be granted the same rights as Ukrainians currently get. I would not support that as it would be quite a silly thing to do.

What , for me enjoying chocolate, your struggling Donald

They have been granted temporary permission to be in the EU. You may be aware, for example, that Swiss people have permission to live or work in the EU. Just because the EU grants permission for any Swiss person to live or work in the EU doesn't mean that they would or should be obligated to allow any person from anywhere in the globe to live or work here.

If you want to advocate for open borders with immediate access to benefits here for any person in the world then you are entitled to do that. Again, I won't support you on that as it would be a bit silly. There are probably plenty of groups calling for that which you could join if you actually care about the issue. But we know that in reality, you don't care. You just want to give a proverbial kick to the face for some Ukrainian kid fleeing devastation. So the DP guys have a temporary use for you at the minute.

People applying for international protection go into that system. They have a kind of temporary status here while that application is being processed. DP is part of that system. At the end of it, they are either granted or denied that protection. If granted, then they remain on the something similar to same terms as an EU person would. But until that is granted, they haven't established any inherent right to be here. The Ukrainians, in contrast, currently have that right - albeit temporarily.

It's hardly a new concept? I don't know how up to speed you are on current affairs (I won't take anything for granted on this thread), but you may have heard of a thing called "Brexit". The UK left the EU. While the UK was in the EU, basically any EU citizen could move there to live and/or work there. That permission is no longer there. It was, as you may have gathered due it being there previously and not there any more, temporary.

If you want to call for the permission to be removed, you can do so. But understand the consequences of doing so as they are likely contrary to what you want to achieve. As I've explained a few times before, then the Ukrainians would apply for international protection. They would likely be granted subsidiary protection which is given where a person would be otherwise be returned to a country at war. Asylum, once granted, is a much more permanent status. If the Ukraine conflict ended say next year, then the Ukrainians would by default have to go home once the EU removed the temporary permission. If granted asylum, they can stay regardless of the situation back home.

By removing the temporary permission, you would end up with them with permanent status here. So be careful what you call for unless you understand more than one step ahead.

Edit

Indeed France has only accepted 100k to date. Interestingly, at the current financial assistance rate of €6.80 a day (206.25 monthly) France is going to spend €20.5 million supporting 100,000 people, whereas Ireland's yearly spending would be €40.5 million on 45k.

Good observation but I suspect much more will be spent per head here, accomodation costs alone are out of control, at a very conservative guess we've gone way beyond €100 million already, Governments own estimates of €30k per refugee is ludicrously low.

No apology necessary, you can sense how I got frustrated, but I can assure you, numerous posters have commented about their kids education being affected, places lost in primary schools etc, and especially shortages of accommodation with colleges using student accommodation for Refugees.