Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

How do you know who is wanted or is not wanted? Article posted above gave the information that men with 3 or more kids or those with medical issues were exempt. It's not up to you to override the Ukrainian State agencies and tell them to apply your definitions. You have no idea who is and who is not "dodging" anything.

Regardless, you own personal feelings on the matter of international protection are of no importance. That system has been in place and agreed internationally for a long time. They are unlikely to have included any break clause depending on what any specific future user on boards.ie felt. Moaning about it ain't gonna change it.

I suppose it's all relative. One mans '08 Corolla is another mans '22 BMW. I was quoting another posters use of the term fancy. Hence the spelling..'fancy'.

The main point still remains though.

Well there could also be the unbelievable idea, now I know this seems far fetched but hear me out, that a woman fleeing with her kids from the oul' raping Ruskis, decided that, instead of doing the obvious thing of first spending time looking for a safe place to park her car in Ukraine and then walk with the kids 20 miles or whatever to the border, decided to go mental and actually drove the car with the kids in the back to the border, and then across it.

She might have had the mad idea that a better use of a car would be in ferrying people from point A to point B reasonably quickly, rather than being parked safe somewhere while they walked. She obviously just wouldn't be as clever as some on here

Yep, and everyone of these 'guests of the nation' are ALL traumatised women and children fleeing those pesky Russians.

You just keep flying that flag!

Ah now, don't be mean.

And anyway, Dempo1 is actually female I think.

I think that would be the ones pushing the tweet that some government crony had bought a hotel for 5m and would be getting 17m a year from the State to take Ukrainians into it.

A few of them earlier in the thread. Some still trying to push it as true

So now my Gender being Questioned , is there no Limit to the absurdity.

I'd have thought discussion of my Gender or anyone else's on this Thread is entirely irrelevant and inappropriate.

Pritti Patel and the rest of the English Tories are making the same argument about refugees entering the UK from France.

The majority of the Ukrainian refugees have stayed in countries closer to their home country. Poland has taken in over a million. Moldova, Slovakia and Romania have taken in nearly 100k each.

Refugees will travel through other EU countries for various reasons. Family ties is one reason. They might speak the language of the country is another reason. One big reason why Ireland is taking in Ukranians is because countries in the EU have a shared responsibility to this problem. Ireland benefitted from being a member of the EU, and should also bear some of the responsibility of being a member of the EU too.

Which one was that? Did you read any stories where that actually happened? There is an article linked above that shows the opposite of all the above. A lady was bought to Ireland with her family, while the rest of her family are back in Ukraine (as are her staff), telling her that everything is fine back there.

You seem to be choosing your own narrative. The issue for most is that many that are coming here are being given an exceptional amount - above and beyond what is needed. Especially for those with their own businesses at home and who can afford to have their car shipped here? I can't imagine that is cheap, especially with VRT and any other duties/taxes that they would be hit with coming from Ukraine, or did they drive here? Who vetted them.

I would like to see the link to the article where her house was flattened and her entire family were murdered before she escaped though, because that sounds like horsecrap. If it isn't, it is the exception, not the norm for what is happening with those arriving here. FWIW, nobody is disputing times are bad in Ukraine. It's more a case of how bad. Is it so bad that they have to leave everything behind and flee? It doesn't seem so. Is it so bad that we as a nation need to put ourselves on the back burner for God knows how long and prioritise others that are seemingly coming from (and being paid for by us) areas that are 'fine'. Others are able to get into their car and drive to Ireland, or phone back and get it taken out and shipped here. Not really 'fleeing' from things either way.

It is being exaggerated in many areas and we have people feeling that they can't speak out for fears of being called a bigot or a racist, which in todays world is almost as bad as having a loaded gun pointed at you.

It is not side stepping.

Again, you are confusing me telling you the way the system works with your assumption that I am the one either deciding how it works or requesting it work that way. Your anger is misplaced. There is not much more that I can say.

Your narrow opinion is that Ireland should send whatever imagined draft dodgers there are, back to fight a war.

The fact is that Ireland would very likely not be able to do that, (and for legitimate reasons).

It didn't go over my head, I was well aware as to what you were trying to do.

So IF bike = car

Then house being flattened and everyone in her family being murdered as she escaped = Business still running (albeit at a lower capacity), family are fine, say everything over there is fine and she just came over here just in case.

I’d probably go to the first safe haven. Not a distant “ quality of living haven and expect taxpayers to foot the bill for housing, full social welfare, free medical cards, free public transport and the rest…

Well, when it happened in Ireland in 1968/9, the refugees from the 6 counties were settled in the south, in army camps, in Shannon, near the border in Dundalk - i don't think i ever read of thousands of northern catholics being shipped to southern Italy or to Bavaria to avoid the pogroms in that era.

Ukraine is a massive country, larger than France - the reality is that the western part is and always was quiet.

I'd ask that they take aim at Leinster House.

After that, I may go to the nearest country, so that I am not too far from my family, business(es), and staff. It would also save me a few bob having to get the car across a continent.

How are the staff still working there and getting paid? Do they not realise they can cross the continent and get everything paid for?