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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,271 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Good aul Joe. Clifford wasn't even the best forward on display yesterday yet he's already been crowned the greatest ever 🤦‍♂️

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Clifford made two good marks and kicked a nice point or two from play but nothing outrageous.

    Imagine is Clifford had scored a point like Walsh did out on the right hand side after battling off a defender, on the wrong side from a tight angle. The commentators would have came there and then.

    I've seen many players put in performances like Clifford did yesterday and there wasn't as much fawning over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    An entertaining game with the better team, or squad, winning. Modern football is a twenty man game and the impact of the respective benches was the deciding factor. Some wonderful scores throughout, with Walsh for Galway and David Clifford for the Kingdom putting in sensational displays. Mention also of Cillian McDaid who had a brilliant match and brilliant year.

    Couple of random points - the forward mark is an awful rule. I would love to see it gone. Secondly, for all the talk of Dublin's demise, they were very close. How significant must the absence of Con O'Callaghan in that semi-final feel for them now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Decent championship by all accounts, bar the dublin game, kerry always looked comfortable enough. Galway lacking forwards ultimately hurt them yesterday. An interesting decade ahead, kerry will feel this team has more to give with their age profile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭C__MC


    He was a huge loss, Dublin probably win if he plays but I felt this year dublin were being dragged by the older players rather than any brilliant managment set up, they have serious work to do to get back to their old evels.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,971 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    2 rules that need to change.

    The mark rule and hand passing over the bar.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Yes, instead of rewarding teams for kick passing and offensive play we should reward defenders for swarming around anyone catching a high ball and make it harder for attackers to score, rewarding blanket defensive play even more. 🙄

    There is a reason these rules came about in the first place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,971 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Yes cause it really has improved the game right?

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,211 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I would generally agree that the mark rule is a bit meh, but two of Clifford's catches yesterday were excellent given the circumstances. One of them he soared above two men, landed on his arse and probably have been bottled up and conceded a free out had the rule not existed. So in that regard, the catch probably merited a score.

    But yeah, Geaney's was ridiculous, and there have been a multitude of instances since it was introduced where a fella caught the ball a couple of inches off the ground and took the subsequent mark. That doesn't make for a great spectacle either.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Kerry could start to dominate the decade now. They got the monkey off their backs. They are the one team that always come back and win and beat a team that might have an upper hand over them in the end. They do everything right in the county in that if a manager or players aren't delivering they are gone. No wonder they are so successful. The winner of this All Ireland was never in doubt. I think Kerry will have over 40 All Irelands by the end of this decade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Yes it has! Unless you'd prefer if Kerry handpassed the ball laterally for 5mins at a time until the Galway defence slip up and Kerry can get a shot away

    We were treated to plenty of great kickpassing and fielding yesterday because of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,971 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Rewarding a basic fundamental skill of football is a sign of how things have gone.

    Tom Parsons is a standout for me in that he rarely ever kicked a ball.

    If you're going to keep the mark, I'd suggest having it inside the 21 only, it has to be caught at head height.

    A 20m pass into the stomach of an attacker does not deserve a free shot at goal.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't get the hatred for the hand pass over the bar for a point.

    It's can be a very smart play when it's used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Bit of context here.

    The last time Dublin played Kerry in championship, they drew the first game before winning a close second. This time round they were very unlucky not to draw the semi. Thats a small margin. And they were without a marquee forward on the day, arguably their best player and main goal threat. They are not that far away from their 'old levels'.

    Farrell had a good year and Dublin will be a threat next year, they have a good chance of winning it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80,647 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thought Galway had it but the paucity on their bench was the difference in the end. Enjoyable final for the neutral.

    Clifford will always know there was a better player on the field on the day. Superb contest between them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,598 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Farrell got relegated and lost his first big test in the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,971 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    If you are rewarding players for basic skills like catching a ball, football is in bad way.

    Handpassing over the bar is not smart it's the easy choice really.

    Kick passing has not improved either.

    The fact people thought yesterday was good game says it all.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    I'd actually disagree with you on the fisted point. In this era of tight defences, to be able to work the ball that close to goal should be rewarded by the option of a fisted point. Usually, attempting to kick a point from within 12 - 14 yards will be easily blocked due to lack of space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Dublin almost beat Kerry, and if they had, would have been reasonably strong favourites in the final.

    As things stand, they were the second best team in the championship this year - and a close second - and that was playing without Con O'Callaghan.

    Yes they got relegated. Not sure how much they care.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Plus, its a skill in its own right.

    The basic skills of football are all actually a lot harder than they look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Personally I don't mind the fisted point. I thought Spillane's was a good score yesterday, a different skill of taking on and beating a player close to goal etc... If they weren't allowed, he would probably have recycled the ball away from goal. And there's enough of that in the game.

    But as someone who does mind it, what are are your thoughts on the palmed goal (from a handpass)? I would sooner see that go than a fisted point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I hate palmed goals. Make it a fist. Palmed goals just look like throwing the ball into the net to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    A really enjoyable final where the better team won out in the end can't ask for anymore than that really. Two of the finest individual performances I've seen in an All Ireland final in an awful long time Clifford and Walsh it was an absolute pleasure to witness both at the peak of their powers. Cillian McDaid deserves an honourable mention as well great stuff from him best midfielder in the country this year.

    The winning and losing of the game was the difference in quality and the usage of benches by both teams Galway only bringing on 1 sub is ridiculous surely there are 20 county standard footballers in Galway? they were out on their feet with 10 to go like? Are the Galway subs really that poor? Or is it poor management by Joyce? Sometimes you just need fresh legs. Outside of Killian Spillane the Kerry subs weren't upto much either but they added much needed legs into the team at a crucial time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,971 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Would get rid of that too. Makes it too easy to score

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Same, just doesn't sit right with me. Would also agree with your suggestion that a mark be changed to inside the 21.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't think Dublin started 2022 not caring if they got relegated or not.

    They most certainly didn't want to get relegated.

    They are currently a Div 2 team that have failed to make an All Ireland final two years inna row after contesting the last 6.

    They may be regarded the second best team in the country by some but are far from the force they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,914 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    The reason the mark came into play is because teams are now more risk averse. If you got rid of the mark there would be a lot less kicking in favour of safer but slower buildups - overall it would be a worse spectacle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,598 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I wasn't a fan at first but it has worked in forcing teams to come out and attack the man with the ball rather than crowding the area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    They're certainly not the force they were that's for sure but they lost an All Ireland semi final to the eventual winners by a point without their best player so they're not far away at all.

    There's one concern I can see for Dublin next year there are 3 great men leaders and players that must be considering retirement now James McCarthy, Mick Fitzsimons and Johnny Cooper they'll struggle to replace them.



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