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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    It could have been anyone Ted

    Sure who wouldn't be out on a Saturday, lobbing cruise missiles at Odessa ?

    At least we know it wasn't Russia, they said so . . .

    Maybe Ukraine have a magic submarine or boomerang missiles ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭jackboy


    If Ukraine could advance and threaten Crimea their negotiating position would be much stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Where's this reported? And if so, seems a serious escalation. Israel can't go about attacking facilities in other states. Unless it's declared war on Iran?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Israel has regularly been striking targets inside Syria for quite a while now. Hezbollah are very active there and it's a staging post for Iran to funnel weapons to them and in-turn to Lebanon.

    Russia, as they for the most part control the airspace in Syria, while not exactly approving of this, leaves the Israelis to it.

    You can agree or disagree with their actions. I for one am not fussed. But it's hard to disagree that Iranian proxies are viewed as a live security threat by Israel.

    As for sources, as I stated nothing solid, but it's doing the rounds on social media. It does make sense that they would do this however.

    We'll wait and see how legitimate it is - but Israelis don't have the habit to admitting to things, and Iran isn't in the habit of admitting to losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    So you've no source whatsoever.

    Can we please avoid this sort of rubbish posting and just stick to stuff that's happening in the real world thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭gw80


    Has it been said that the deal for grain export is off, I haven't heard that it is or is it just a given?

    What did the missiles hit?

    When was the first shipment of grain due to be exported?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Economics101


    In a way it was never really on. I await the usual "false flag" bullshit from Vlad and Co.as an "excuse" for reconsidering the agreement. At a time when conspiracist views proliferate in the Internet, "false flag" plays to the conspiracist mindset.

    However I hope I'm wrong and that the grain starts flowing out, simply for the sake of millions of innocent victims of this monster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Definitely not off, but people are quite baffled as to why Russia attacked Odesa a day after the agreement was signed (the dictator having a temper tantrum perhaps?).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,369 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    But the role of the UN isn't to enforce anything really. They haven't got the funding nor the political backing and definitely not the military.

    For me the UN is more of a moral authority, they do endless research into human rights , global energy crisis, poverty etc and the point is that they should be thought leaders for what we aspire to. We never reach their targets but at least they set a direction.

    They have no power to do much else. Similarly you will see all global organisations get blamed for things beyond their control, see the world bank, the WHO etc. They are always the easy target but we don't empower them with anywhere close to the funding required to achieve the goals that we expect from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Anyone know what the Russian threats were over an attack on Crimea ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    They have no power, period. So what is the point of them?

    They can't enforce anything. They can't agree on anything. The idea of them being thought leaders for us to aspire to is **** daft. Aspire to someone who can make a difference, as opposed to someone who talks about making a difference.

    The idea of the UN is great, but it has been proven not to work, and that is from both sides if the aisle. Incidents like this just show how niave they are, and it's so frustrating to watch.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,308 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Did they say something like they considered Crimea part of Russia so an attack on Crimea would be like an attack on Moscow and would warrant a full mobilization.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    ...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭threeball


    So they're just wafflers. They condemn this or endorse that but have no impact on anything. And non of these chancers are pulling minimum wage or doing this voluntarily. Guterres earns 250k a year and for what, to give horseshit speeches where he looks like a clown the next day. Or jumping on a private jet to go massage Putins ego. Useless organisation with utterly useless people. At least the WHO has some value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Israel has been attacking sites in Syria for literally years. They will attack any site literally anywhere they consider a threat to themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Israel regularly attack targets in Syria, I lived there for several years, and I can vouch for that, even if its denied or not confirmed by Israel, which is standard practice for them. Assads forces on the ground know very well who is doing the attacking, I can assure you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Very true. And, by the way, Jordan. You don't hear much about that. I believe I was in Damascus around the time you were. I remember the absolute hate the Syrians had for Isreal. Every paper map of the world had Isreal scribbled out and they painted Israeli flags on the pavement to that everyone could walk on the flag.

    In Jordan, at the river Jordan, there were two guys acting the Mick at the "Barberpole" that's stuck in the middle of the river to denote the border between Jordan and Israel. ( by the way, the River Jordan is quite narrow. You could almost jump from bank to bank in some places).

    Two Israeli border guards waded over to them, AR-15's at the ready, and dragged their loud American asses into Israel from the Jordanian side! The Jord guards just watched. The two guys were no doubt deported, unless of course it was a staged entrance. Which has happened.

    Israel make up their own rules. I wouldn't be surprised if Mossad have their fingers in the events at the peripherals of the war in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    .....and, I'm back.

    I've been working at RIAT and Farnborough and man!, as some of you into aircraft or have gone to either site will tell you, NATO really pushed the boat out this year. It was two huge parades of tech and military mite wrapped up in an airshow and som industry lectures.

    Biggest airshow in the world, too. Bigger than Nellis now.

    Anyway, I see the USAF Global Hawk (FORTE) is back around Crimea again, taking a good look at the Russian Fleet following missle attacks on Oddesa.

    Also, keep an eye on Kaliningrad folks. Not a whisper about the enclave of late, but it's definitely one to watch.

    Frequency of flights (even with their 2 hour extension in time to reach destination) have increased dramatically.road haulage is completely disrupted and is effecting BMW, KIA and others as they are assembled in Kaliningrad. Did you that Kaliningrad tried to gain it's own independence. The public voted in favour of it. It the Russian Military currently stationed there could be persuaded to switch sides, We ((Europeans) would, in one stroke of a pen and depending on tides, time of year etc, take the Russian Baltic Fleet, into our arms.

    Of course what we cannot see are the hundreds of monthly NATO aircraft interceptions. Russia have been quietly and studiously enhancing its military stationed in Kaliningrad.

    This is definitely going to be one to watch come Autumn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Did I miss something? What do Israel airstrikes in Syria have to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭weisses


    Iran made a deal to sell drones to Putin and Israel had info they were build or stored in Syria and thus ...... kaboom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Thanks. I had completely missed that bit of news.

    And well done Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,628 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Surely Iran has other drone plants in Iran itself rather than in Syria?

    I dont see the Israelis taking out a drone plant near Tehran or anything like that. Now a nuclear plant would be a different story. But to take out buildings inside Iran would be a highly dangerous escalation. Picking off scientists is one thing, actually bombing a place is very different.


    Battlemap is quite interesting. More or less halted last two Weekes.

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    The whole world is waiting for the big push by the Ukrainians in the South.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The whole world is not waiting, quite a lot in the world are supporting Russia on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Waiting on and supporting are not the same thing. Pedanticly yours.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russia is at its strongest now. They will be weaker tomorrow and still they’ve not made recent progress.


    Yet, some here think things are all fine for Russia. Completely deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    The UN have conducted peace keeping and peace enforcing roles in various 'minor' conflicts, in which we like to send off a few lads for experience.

    But when it comes to major players, the UN has been shown up as useless. And that was largely the vision behind the UN replacing the League of Nations etc.

    And when something isn't fit for purpose, then change it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    And a lot couldn't give a hoot. Ukraine dropped off a lot of people's radar months ago now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    If you are referring to developing countries,

    the irony of cheering for the {last remaining European white suprematist neo fascist empire trying to acquire more colonies and in process starving said developing countries and fuelling inflation} is intense



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