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Is "the decimation of rural Ireland" overhyped

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32 moslo


    "Born in the bog", "culchies", "muckers", "cute-hooers" pulling strokes and doing deals.

    While there are definitely people like that in and from rural Ireland they certainly don't represent the majority, who in actual fact are mostly honest hard working people who are undisguisable from their urban neighbours. The view you present has probably been exaggerated by John B Keane plays, rural dramas like Glenroe and sensationalist print and social media.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    Schooled or educated? 2 very different things with very different meanings



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    On a lighter note as a (mostly) former Tradesman I don't think there's any better feeling than giving a customer the price plus vat and they saying sur you'll do it for cash without the vat and they handing over 10 or 15 grand in cash when the job was done, good times long gone now as I'm in respectful employment now but you can be sure there's plenty at it still and more power, they've to feather the nest for when the lean times come around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,780 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The pavees won't want to see a cashless society because then they would have to have bank accounts and Revenue would know exactly how wealthy they really are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,526 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Why didn't you ask him if there was an ATM near by rather than asking him if he was having a laugh?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I live around the corner. I know there's no ATM within a 10 minute walk. And I don't use cash anymore. If a business is cash only they won't get my custom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,666 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Organised begging rings will have to find another grift too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,526 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    If you live around the corner did you not know already that your local takeaway was cash only?

    In the village I live in there are two takeaways, one cash only.

    Both have their benefits, certain menu items are nicer in one than the other.

    I know if I'm going to the cash only one I need cash.

    The idea that someone would only use cashless businesses out of principal is a bit stupid, God help you if you needed to go and get something sometime in a shop that only took cash.

    Same with "I don't use cash anymore". I rarely use cash anymore, but I usually have some on me just in case I have a situation where I need it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Had never been into it before, fancied a burger, he couldn't take my payment so he lost the business.

    It's 2022, post pandemic, the majority use card payments now and if he doesn't want to accept that (purely a tax dodge, chippers well known for it) then that's his perogative.

    I haven't had cash since the beginning of the covid pandemic and haven't gone hungry so I don't think cashless is stupid to be frank, I've no requirement for it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    I'm sure they'll survive, most chippers around here are cash only, I know of a couple of other businesses that are cash only and they're still in business after many years, if you're travelling around rural Ireland without cash then you'll be disappointed eventually



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,491 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Are people who don't use cash proud of it as they are so modern and "with it"? Seems that way. There is a definite attitude out there that people who want the OPTION to use cash are dodgy, old farts, idiots, luddites.

    There were similar attitudes to those who were slow to adopt smartphones. As the years have passed it has become more and more difficult to manage without one. Who benefits, Apple and other mega corporations. I object strongly to having to use a smartphone for two factor authentication if I want to buy anything online

    A few years ago when I still had a button phone I loaned it to woman to use as her 1000 euro iPhone had some problem. This person is older than me, works in tech and would have used button phones for 15 years yet now she had completely forgotten how to use one and was trying to swipe on the screen like a moron.

    I've noticed in shops that staff seem put out/momentarily confused if presented with cash. Staring at notes like they are some alien object and slow to process the transaction. Often no manners either (e.g. flinging change on the counter instead of dropping it into my hand)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For a variety of reasons I dont think it is a good idea to go to a totally cashless society but its nothing to do with the fantasy rural Ireland that some posters believe exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I was in Wales and the North of England a few weeks back, no one off housing at all , villages and towns far prettier too,our towns and villages are ugly for the most part due to awful planning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Just out of interest how did your mother get into online banking, etc?

    I know of a few elderly people and some are simply afraid of technology, others don't want to change but some have tried to use technology, cards, etc and they simply can't get into it. They've tried help from family friends, computer classes, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    My sister showed her but she also attended a computer course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Well, picture this scenario then.

    Supposing the person needed food, had no cash and the app on their watch/phone wasn't working? What do they do then? Cash always works.


    And that's your choice. But I am not in favour of removing that choice from everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Here's a serious point. Do you guys realise how much power you are giving to the banks if cash is gotten rid of totally?

    Have a think about this.

    If cash is gotten rid of completely, then you will have no choice in how you pay for goods or services. You are going to be 100% reliant on electronic payments.

    Who controls the electronic payments?

    Your banks.

    And if the banks e-payments don't have to compete with cash any more, what's to stop the banks charging €1, €2 and so on for each transaction.

    You'll have no choice but to put up with that charges because you'll have no other alternative.

    Big mistake to get rid of cash.


    And I'm not even including the 'Big Brother Is Watching' scenario in the above either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Big Brother is watching 😀 Oh no, somebody knows I bought a coffee, the horror. What have you got to hide?

    Make sure you don't get a leap card, you wouldn't want the big bad government knowing you travelled from Howth to Connolly by Dart.

    Won't being until ATM transaction charges are brought in, what then?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Rural Ireland is far from dead.

    It should be though, unfortunately our corrupt politicians keep subsiding it with money from Dublin and Cork. 😡



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    Not to mention the farmers getting payments, it's great in fairness, keep it coming as it keeps lads from spending their cash, thanks Dublin and EU 😊



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i remember driving through scotland at night thinking 'there's something a little odd about this place' and then realising it was just how dark the countryside was - the number of one off houses was a tiny fraction of what you'd get in ireland, so you didn't see houses lit up all around.

    i was recently in my dad's home town (north donegal) for the first time in about 8 years, and the number of derelict buildings in the town was nuts. plenty of houses carpet bombed in the countryside around it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,526 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Why should it be dead?

    Do you want everybody in the cities?

    And then you'll complain about the cities being too full.

    What are you, the reverse Khemer Rouge?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    If you went to pay for a burger with a €20 note, and the man behind the counter said: "Actually I don't have any change, head off there and make change and then come back", would you not mind?

    I don't have many strong feelings about cash vs. card, but some of the scenarios that posters are suggesting that customers put up with in order to support businesses that doggedly refuse to get with the times are a bit daft...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    When I lived in the US, Bank of America had different types of bank accounts. The cheapest in terms of banking fees was the online option. You could withdraw from or deposit cheques or cash into ATMs that allow it (which is not every ATM there either) as often as you wanted BUT you were only allowed to avail of services in a bank branch twice a year. If you used it more, you would incur a charge. Over there it was also difficult to get by with just cash. Had always hear cash is King but that became shite, it was credit is King. I tried to rent a car with cash from multiple companies and none of them would take it. The excuse given was trust in the employees. They didn't want a bunch of cash from everyone renting cars sitting with employees throughout the day.

    Hotels were another one. They want you to pay with card and they put the charge on the card for incidentals. I know a hotel here recently lost a case for refusing cash but there are good reasons to not want to accept cash, imo. Just even having a business account myself, it is a lot less effort from an accounting perspective to no deal with cash. The software from the likes of Stripe have things in such a way that filing returns is simple and quick.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    What's to stop banks charging €10 for ATM withdrawals?

    I think that the notion that by carrying around a load of cash - which has come out of bank's ATM at least once, probably many time - you are somehow insulating yourself from the vagaries of the global financial system is a little naive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    4 of the 5 largest medical device companies in Ireland have presence outside Cork and Dublin. Dublin at least is also at bursting point, the room for growth is outside Dublin. The largest wind energy potential is off the west coast. Corrib Gas that is currently saving our arses for supply is off the west. That's not even mentioning the agriculture and tourism. Can you imagine what else the rest of the country could do if there was investment in decent infrastructure outside of Dublin :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,089 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    What about some old people, people with intellectual disabilities or any disabilities that will make card usage difficult.. ?

    no reason to get rid of cash. Just cause business don’t want the hassle ? Fûck off.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm sure that their local Post Office will - AS IT ALWAY HAS - meet their requirements.

    It's not as though the disappearance of the local AIB will cause the planet to stop revolving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,089 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Don’t agree, cash is king and allows flexibility for everyone. It’s only being spoken about being gotten rid of because it suits some businesses. Post office have limited services.

    stopping the planet revolving ? Always with the hyperbole, jeez.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭global23214124


    I was at a wedding recently where the couple had given their PayPal before hand if wanted to give them something. They still accepted envelopes and stuff but thought it was a bit odd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭global23214124


    I definitely use card more but I normally always have some cash. There is a nice restaurant nearby that only accepts cash so I use it for that.In Berlin it was a bit mad as they only use cash in lots of places and seem to distrust banks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I was at a wedding in Tip years ago. The couple asked on the invite for cash only (in the form of a little poem). This was before huge traveller style weddings with lots of cash was in vogue. We went along to the venue (which was awful with dreadful finger food & dips) only to find out we'd been hoodwinked. The couple had had a proper wedding in an amazing venue the day before which most people didn't know about. We found out half way through that we were at a money collection!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,658 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Funny that, I was in the Chilterns only about 90 mins from London a few months ago and we walked to a nearby rural pub, it was totally pitch black and we were surrounded by natural forest. No one off housing at all. Ireland's unique in that way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭chosen1


    Yea there would be an obvious difference between one off housing in the countryside between Ireland and many other countries. What people mostly fail to mention though is that Ireland always had a culture of rural living, and towns and villages only came to us through the Vikings and Normans. Later on the English built up many plantation towns but they often lack the prettiness of the typical English equivalent due to the relative poverty the Irish were in compared to their "mainland" equivalent.

    People think it's a failure of planning after our countries independence but you only have to travel north over the border and you'll see very little difference in terms of rural living, where there are similar level of one off houses in the country. Guess it's just in our nature to like that little bit of space around us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Cash is king actually means that possession of money is king. Not necessarily physical cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Cash doesn't always work. No electricity, no cash register. A lot of places need network connectivity for the registers to work, too.

    You also conveniently ignore that to get the cash in the first place, you need a powered, networked device (ATM) and banks can and do charge for cash withdrawals already.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,478 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    You know what I love, when someone says "cash is king". How do they come up with wisdom like that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Depends on how much functionality you need from the till but without power a till can manually be opened and closed (in general) so the business still has a rudimentary method of dealing with cash. Not so with non cash transactions.

    I digress however. You are of course generally correct.

    I think, in similar ways to the bog(green party adamant on banning it, when it will be finished in a decade or two anyway due to newer generations generally not having the time or work ethic to do it) we are reducing cash transactions anyway. There's not really a need to force it as we have seen and it's likely certain areas and people will continue to require cash.

    Rural Ireland has been dying for a long time which is a disgrace really when you consider the mess most of our cities are in. Perhaps the accelerated move to WFH will solve some of this but who really knows.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    It does if you've a good bit of cash in your house, anyone with a good bit saved could survive a long time if banks or atms have difficulties, no good if tills are out of course but either is card



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    I think it's about principles really. Everyone should be able to trade with whatever cash or card they want.

    Farmers always use cash, well the one's I know do. They might use the card in a busy pub but it's good to have the options.

    Using cards is handy, but cash is king.

    Looking at a fifty euro note and smelling it is nice. I love the smell of money.

    Or giving a kid a note and their eyes light up with divelment, and they have a purchase on their minds.

    The way they look at it too, they seem to save better these days, money used to burn in my pocket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Most tills intentionally block opening in a power cut and have been like this for decades. The plan for shops when the electricity goes down is to close due to tills not working. I worked on network tills for 10 years 20 years ago and a network going down was caluclated to be as uncommon as a power outage and the same plan if either happen which is close. Companies would not trust their staff to sell things without a till because staff don't know the prices (no longer on the items for sale) nor able to do maths. It is possible to operate without a till but they won't do it anymore unless it is some small independent store.

    If a craft store can use electronic payments any shop that can't/won't is behind the times and will lose customers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Just for anyone who keeps thinking (and saying) that "cash is king" refers to physical cash only


    What Is Cash Is King?

    "Cash is king" is a slang term reflecting the belief that money (cash) is more valuable than any other form of investment tools, such as stocks or bonds. This phrase is often used when prices in the securities market are high, and investors decide to save their cash for when prices are cheaper.



    Please pass this on to any hick you meet who uses this to defend keeping those loss-making services open at tax-payers expense. Fock them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Wasn't aware that the majority of tills don't have a method of opening without power now.

    It's been about 20 years in fairness since I was on the user end of a till and that that time, where I worked, power outages were relatively common at certain times of the year. The pricelist was on the door/printed by the till (was a licensed premises) and the maths weren't that difficult/batter calculator always on standby if needed.

    Time's have changed in that case!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Bars have a very limited range of stock and purchases. A small corner shop has thousands of products now. Have you not noticed the the shops where the cashier doesn't even open drawer in a normal transaction? They only scan bills into the till and it goes straight into a lock compartment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    who here remembers the old pound note

    hideous disgusting smelly things😬 can you imagine the amount of germs, viruses, diseases that were spread about with them paper rags yuk!

    and the fact that pound coins weren't introduced till 1990 ffs! what a bally-go-backward country it was back then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    The USA still use dollar bills and not dollar coins. Essential how the country operates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Keeping a lot of cash in your home is really not a good idea.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



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  • I remember the previous incarnation of the pound and the old pennies with the hen on them 😁



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