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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    10c /kilo I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I doubt it. They’ll keep a pull on them. They’re getting cattle coming up to the 30 months and plenty of them. I’d say they’ll go back as far as €4.50.

    hope I’m wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Gman1987


    R3 Bullocks averaging €5.20/kg last week. Someone is getting well paid compared to the based quotes on here.

    https://publicapps.agriculture.gov.ie/bpw-ui/#/category/C/factories



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭smallbeef


    Yeah that's just Larry from the factory paying Larry from the feedlot

    Post edited by smallbeef on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Base €4.90 last week, 20c QA and 10c on the grid so nothing out of the ordinary there at €5.20.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭ruwithme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭DBK1


    An R+ grade Hereford would have made €5.26, an Angus €5.36 on the grid at €4.90 base.

    R- or R= 6 cent less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    This beef game is something else....only a month or so ago the prices were going up and up....

    Now here we are wondering how low they can drop them...

    I cannot imagine relying on this as my sole income.....zero control over price

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    You have to admit they pulled off the stunt of the decade ,giving farmers a false sense of security of high prices for the year .Did no one twig there game .Its going to make a bleak winter if they keep droping and how many times have we seen them do it before



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Gman1987


    Where are you getting +€0.10c on the grid for an R3? Having killed cattle over the past few weeks and then looking back over the actual average price paid in that factory for the exact same grades their has been up to €0.20 c/kg between the average price and the price I got. I'm killing off the base price being quoted so their is obviously a lot of cattle going through that are being paid a significant premium over the base price. e.g. O+3+ HE killed on the 7th July . Base €4.95, -0.12c O+, +€0.10 HE bonus, €0.20c/kg QA = €5.13/mt. In the same week the average paid for that exact grade in the same factory was €5.3341/kg. Its great to see the full data on prices paid coming from the Department of Agriculture but perhaps they should be reporting three prices. 1. Current format, 2. Factory feedlots, 3. all other. I'd say the factory feedlot prices being paid is distorting the averages in the current format and its the current format that they are using to compare Irish pricing to EU/UK pricing.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    It's all about the data!

    If this is happening across the board, then factories are using what they pay to feedlots (themselves?) to bring up the overall average. So the Irish price doesn't seem as low compared to UK/EU prices.

    The reality is farmers' price is lower but factories are manipulating the data to tell us white is black.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,325 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    As well the averages prices published by the like of agriland is often just an average of the average paid a cross all factories. It's fails to pick up numbers killed in each plant.

    Most of the feedlot cattle are processed by the big three. They also have the biggest plants. It's noticeable that there R price in general.is way ahead of the smaller processor's who may be sourcing cheap cattle out of marts at present

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I always wondered how the factories can get away with this from a tax/account point of view. They are paying farmers a low price/kg for their cattle which in turn allows them to pay themselves substantially more for their own feedlot cattle ensuring continued massive profits for their business. Surely there has to be an anti competitive rule in operation iykwim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Not massive tax... Corporate tax is 12%.

    I killed slightly under finished cattle this week. Procurement manager rings me .u want to give them cattle more time.

    I says u want to stop dropping like a stone and I'll take my time.

    I thought I was bad till I reached the lairage the amount of under finished stock was unreal. I'd say he was making phone calls all morning. Plus you have a two week wait to get cattle killed. It's all a joke really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,448 ✭✭✭Grueller


    It's the very reason that I made the decision to move away from beef. You are producing a product at high cost not knowing whether the price of the product will cover those costs. No other business would tolerate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,325 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They have created a problem for themselves. Lads are killing underfinished cattle with poor cover. Same as the cows. If they continue to pull lads will continue to rush in under finished cattle.

    Killed cattle myself this week. They graded slight better than the last lot and were 5kgs DW heavier. But they made 100 euro per head less.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Then they question under finished by mid August those cattle could be back 200 plus from the first batch. The price of meal and fertilizer doesn't carry many passengers.

    I think it was a poorly managed pull (I no problem with a pull in general) but cattle north of 5 EUR a few weeks back now down to 4.75 and feedlot cattle (expensive)bought to preserve a market holding up the whole place. Very bad management. What do they expect lads to do but supply under finished cattle to keep their margins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    in fairness we know we are dealing with the lowest of the low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    When you say your’s were under finished were they less than a 2+ ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,325 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Did a quick tot of the sums on the cattle. Allowing 450 in costs ( up 100/ head on last year) the average bullock is leaving a gross margin of 950 and a net margin of 500. If I allow another 50/ head for the dearer silage and other costs next winter they are leaving 450/ head. The average will probably drop a bit as the year goes on. I have 28 replacements at about 560-580 euro average.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Very basic question: is there an upper limit on cattle weight going to the factory?

    With lambs, factories pay to 21kg DW then it’s free meat for them after that.

    I’m seeing posts on this thread re letting cattle run on and how weight pays, so I’m assuming there’s no upper weight limit for cattle. Is that the case?

    I don’t mean 1,000kg or anything. More letting dairy-cross heifers get over 550kg rather than rushing them off as soon as they get to 500kg

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    No cutting for over weight these days. If beef was plentiful they might talk about cutting on certain carcasses over 400kg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭leoch


    any quotes for heifers this week ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    €4.90 heifers

    €4.80 bullocks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭morphy87


    €4.80 flat for average fresians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭morphy87


    he has 15 to go,now there not going down your direction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭kk.man




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Brother sold some AAx bullocks in the mart on Monday, they were all in around 650 kgs and came in to over €1,700, some were fit to kill and some weren't. What stood out was the ones that weren't fit to kill made more per KG than the ones that were fit to kill. This would suggest to me that the feed lots are filling up again to keep control on the price.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭locha


    Liffey were quoting 4.80 this week for steers. Just talking to a neighbour and he got 4.85 off them. Sold Saturday killed yesterday.



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