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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The national anthem of Limerick, great tune for a great man and no references to murdered women which may be confusing to Loyalist soccer fans

    You back here for a bit now that fleg burning season is finished up for another year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Do you mean the sober middle-aged nationalist barmen burning my flags outside their city bar on a sunny afternoon to make their customers happy or are you referring to the few occasions when a crowd of youths drinking put your flag on a fire at midnight.

    I know which I’d be most embarrassed about.

    I see lots of your own community ashamed of a winning GAA team feeling they could sing a song celebrating murder of policemen. But sure it was only a bit of crack

    https://twitter.com/mooreholmes24/status/1549521621639127042?s=21

    Post edited by downcow on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,355 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    to the few occasions when a crowd of youths drinking put your flag on a fire at midnight.


    Nah, it is the (your culture) organised systemic hatred, bigotry and sectarianism getting higher and higher each year that the world sees and is concerned about.

    I think the 11th night will now get a Commission to regulate it btw, They won't do it themselves so somebody will have to step in like they did with the parades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    No great love of GAA or rebel songs, but Sean South is a cracking song.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    What about Sean South makes you think he was "great"? South was a fascist terrorist and a rabid hater of Jews. In any place that would be very bad but in Limerick, which has a notorious history of driving out Jews, it's worse again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_South

    Seán South was born in Limerick, where he was educated at Sexton Street Christian Brothers School, later working as a clerk in a local wood-importing company called McMahon's.[citation needed] He was a member of a number of organisations, including Clann na Poblachta (who he worked for during the 1948 election), Sinn Féin, the Gaelic League and the Legion of Mary.[2] In Limerick he founded the local branch of Maria Duce,[1][2] a rabidly conservative and anti-Semitic Roman Catholic organisation led by Father Denis Fahey, where South also edited both An Gath and An Giolla. While not a formal member, South is also suggested to have been associated with the fascist Ailtirí na hAiséirghe political party, whose members he met through the Irish language organisations Craobh na hAiséirghe and Glún na Buaidhe, which coexisted and cooperated with Ailtirí na hAiséirghe.[3]

    He had received military training as a lieutenant of the Irish army reserve, the Local Defence Force, which would later become An Fórsa Cosanta Áitiúil, before he became a volunteer in the Irish Republican Army.[1]

    Being a member of An Réalt (the Irish-speaking chapter of the Legion of Mary),[4] South was a devout Catholic and a conservative, even by the standards of the day.[5] It was at a meeting of An Réalt that he met his only serious girlfriend, Máire de Paor. She was a schoolteacher from Limerick and was a great lover of the Irish language.[6] He was also a member of the Knights of Columbanus.[7]

    In 1949, South wrote a series of letters to his local newspaper, the Limerick Leader. These letters condemned Hollywood films for what South regarded as their immoral messages. South accused these films of promoting a "stream of insidious propaganda which proceeds from Judeo-Masonic controlled sources, and which warps and corrupts the minds of our youth."[8][9] South also claimed that the American film industry was controlled by "Jewish and Masonic executives dictating to Communist rank and file."[8] In his letters, South also denounced Irish trade unions, and praised the activities of Senator Joseph McCarthy in the United States.[9] In other writings in later years, South quoted material from A. K. Chesterton, a member of the British Union of Fascists and the founder of the League of Empire Loyalists, which later merged with British National Party in 1967 to become the National Front.[3]



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    "Notorious history of driving out jews" 😂

    One incident that resulted in in a handful of jewish families leaving Limerick city

    If you want a notorius history of pogroms, killing and driving out people based on their ethnicity you need to look north and to the Orange brethern. They're the top of the class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    OK, so I see what you've done there. You've minimised anti-Semitism while playing at whataboutery (for the record I thoroughly agree that NI Loyalism has a serious problem with sectarianism - but that's not the issue here).

    I asked you what was great about the fascist terrorist Sean South - you referred to him as "a great man". You haven't answered.

    I suppose that would be in keeping with your record of posting thinly veiled pro-Putin propaganda on the Russia thread.

    The simple fact is that as long as the GAA continues to glorify fascist terrorists like Sean South, Nazi sympathisers like Dan Breen and propagandists for slavery like John Mitchel, they haven't a leg to stand on when they object to Loyalists doing abhorrent things like mocking Michaela McAreavey, it's the purest hypocrisy.

    If you refuse to get your own house in order, it's rich to then complain when others don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,355 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I have long said that ways are going to have to be found to allow people remember their dead, and even celebrate/commemorate what they did. There will always be two versions of history here, even more maybe and there is no chance an agreed one will be reached.

    I have zero issue allowing Unionists to do that in a respectful way, mindful that I might disagree with the sentiment. It is something I will have to cope with as a democrat.

    The Parades Commission turned the 12th from being a day of intimidation and taunting to a day of parades where people want them mostly and it passes off relatively peacefully, same now needs to happen with 11th night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭howiya


    I agree with your last sentence. Loyalists should get their own house in order before taking to twitter to complain about others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Whataboutery

    do you condemn the gfa singing Sean South?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Who would want to celebrate Sean South given full knowledge of what he was?

    Justin Barrett and his ilk?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,355 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I presume you mean the GAA?

    The GAA were not singing. Some people in the GAA who won a cup were singing.

    No, I don't condemn them for singing a song. I don't condemn you guys playing the music you want when you parade, when it doesn't taunt anyone. If they were singing it outside a place of worship or taunting people, or building bonfires bigger and bigger to get attention for their expressions of hate, I'd have no problem criticising it.

    I know you guys are on the hunt looking to be offended to cover for the appalling public displays we have seen this month. Very transparent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,355 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You could ask that question of so much of what is celebrated across these islands and the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Hey Francie, if you want to go off and celebrate fascists, anti-semites and criminal thugs, away you go.

    I will continue to have an issue with that kind of celebrating.

    There is no version of history in which Sean South is not a fascist anti-semite, nor is there a version of history in which Sean Russell is not a Nazi collaborator, so lie down with those dogs if you wish, but you will tainted with their legacies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Yeah, everyone who sings Sean South is voting for Justin Barret 😂

    He was a great man, died for a United Ireland and worthy of his place in the pantheon of Irish patriots. In the same way that "Marxist terrorist" James Connolly was a great man, despite his enthusiasm for a genocidal ideology.

    And giving it to the Germans and the EU for acting like Putins rent boys is being pro Putin. You're some lad. 😂

    I'd say you're one these types who was calling the Ukranians fascist terrorists back in 2014 and then performed a rapid volte face once the Ukranians flags started showing up in profiles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,355 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A ha, the fun we could have looking at the personal histories of those celebrated on these islands.

    I fancy as usual you only want some celebrated.

    I think we need to find a way so that anyone can celebrate the version of history they believe in. Little old democrat me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    A lot of hot air there.

    How was South a great man? He was a fascist anti-Semite and a terrorist who went out to murder.

    People have all sorts of deluded beliefs. Lenny Murphy thought he was right, that he was fighting for his people. Does that make Lenny Murphy a great man?

    It's pretty clear South subscribed to actual genocidal ideology, which you can't say about Connolly.

    That you think somebody who subscribed to genocidal ideology was a great man helps to explain a lot about you and your thinly veiled pro-Putin propaganda on the Russia thread. South and Putin would have been bedfellows in terms of Christofascist ideology.

    It's from that ideology that we got the Nazis and Russia's genocidal war against Ukraine. And it's where South came from too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    You keep calling a fella who was a member of C na P a fascist, the same party that had Noel Browne as a TD. Funny old type of fascism that. 😁

    It's very interesting that you throw unfounded accusations of fascism around as that was the stock in trade of Western European Communists, to accuse all of their rivals of being fascist.

    South was definitely anti Communist and a very conservative Catholic, perhaps that's your actual problem with him. I suspect it is, given that you just tried brush off oul Jim Connollys belief in a totalitarian ideology that slaughtered more people than all the rest of em put together. The beard is slipping there, comrade 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Sean South was the textbook definition of a fascist. You have chosen to deny that he was.

    Given that and given your consistent thinly veiled pro-Putin propaganda on the Russia thread, we can see full well what sort of a person you are and what sort of extremist beliefs you have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    A textbook fascist, I see, and you'l be providing proof of that now I suppose. Go through my posts and show me some pro putin propaganda, while you're at it.🤔

    Are you willing to concede that Connolly was a communist and that communists killed many, many millions more than fascism ever did? Should be an easy thing to admit, given that it's a fact. The assorted flavours of Marxists and trots knocking around tend to have a problem with admitting it for some reason.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You're a Putin fanboi and quite obviously have no intention of doing anything other than spouting extreme right wing US culture war style propaganda.

    I have better ways of spending my time than responding to industrial strength nonsense, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Ask for proof and these lads disappear up their own holes 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    how and whatever he was personally, he was still a volunteer and thus an irish patriot and hero who faught for his country.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road




    the GAA does not glorify terrorists, fascists or other similar types of individuals, therefore they can complain when loyalist extremists mock an innocent victim.

    the poster has not minimised anti-semitism in any way, but has simply stated that your claim of driving out jews is not correct in the way you have framed it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    the poster is not justin barrett, this is a disgraceful attempt at a slur, shame on you.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Your nasty ideology was worse than my nasty ideology.

    What a cheap argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I assume that you're now going to have a crack at proving that South was a fascist or that I am

    Bit reckless considering your side of the houses history in that regard, eh?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,355 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That's a memorial to the dead.

    Are you in favour of tearing down all memorials to combatants who died on this island?



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