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Podge_irl · 19-07-2022 02:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359313#Comment_119359313

Yup you could, which is more or less the definition the Swiss would have used during WW2. They adjust the definition they use as it suits them.

Obviously they can do whatever the want but I don't think there is anything moral or principled about their stand.

Hobgoblin11 · 19-07-2022 02:57PM

https://t.me/dneproperatyv/35481https%3A//t.me/dneproperatyv/35481

Explosion reported near Nikopol

Darth Putin · 19-07-2022 03:16PM

Good point

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1549288855085502466?s=20&t=-x_LfEn_IteYkJYXurRHNg

Yurt2 · 19-07-2022 03:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359282#Comment_119359282

Two thing from those articles:

1. They can't find people to hose down the human remains from the husks of javelin destroyed tanks to make the frame somehow serviceable again. F*cking grim

2. The Wagner Group mercenaries are now just convicts sprung from prison.

Dial up the pressure on Russia, they'll crack soon. Let the rockets rain down on their sorry skulls. The mid-August assessment from the first article seems highly optimistic, but we could well see the collapse before the year's end and before winter. I can't see them having the stomach to be getting slaughtered en-masse in the snow with no equipment and without even rations getting to the front.

Strazdas · 19-07-2022 03:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359553#Comment_119359553

I read something yesterday about the conscripted convicts turning out to be useless in battle. Hardly a surprise - a lot of them would be ill disciplined layabouts and drug addicts and so on.

zv2 · 19-07-2022 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119358516#Comment_119358516

Personally I think it is appalling. Soldiers/civilians' welfare goes beyond politics. At least it should. They can't say 'It's not politically correct to help you'. Even some decent Russian soldiers and medics help wounded Ukrainians.

zv2 · 19-07-2022 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359553#Comment_119359553

The worst thing the west could do now is hesitate. Like the saying goes 'He who hesitates...'

Yurt2 · 19-07-2022 04:07PM

It really was a joke thinking that Russia was a peer military power of the US. The professionalism and power projection capacity of the US (at least when you task them with conventional warfare and not trying to turn Afghanistan into South Korea) is decades ahead of Russia. It's not even a conversation.

Strazdas · 19-07-2022 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359833#Comment_119359833

Much of it came from Kremlin propaganda aimed at the serfs. "We're one of the greatest nations on earth" etc. What it ignored was just how rancid and corrupt the place has become under Putin - a second rate banana republic with delusions de grandeur. The corruption and kleptocracy is a huge factor.

zv2 · 19-07-2022 04:16PM

Some of the responses here are as entertaining as the subject-

Anonymous Operations on Twitter: "Russia Says It’s Losing Because Ukraine Has Experimental Mutant Troops Created in Secret Biolabss https://t.co/xP4Gjld9ML" / Twitter

Dubh Geannain · 19-07-2022 04:26PM

The spokesman of the battalion named after Sheikh Mansur, Islam Belokiev, said that the Ichkerians have started preparations for hostilities in Chechnya. Ichkeria is divided into three fronts and 16 sectors. There is an intensive collection of information on cities where the Russians are deployed for attacks.

"If Chechnya trembles, Russia will collapse" Belokiev

https://twitter.com/SergijOleksandr/status/1548680666665177089?s=20&t=AJIysOfYu6xHor170UPAWw

Didn't see this posted but could have missed it. Could be just bluster but time will tell. Also, I think he looks a bit like Eric Cantona.

Yurt2 · 19-07-2022 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359932#Comment_119359932

It's extremely high risk making young men from the Caucuses jump into the meat grinder. If those republics turn on Moscow, all hell will break loose.

And yes, he rather does look like Cantona doesn't he? Anyone seen King Eric lately? Exactly the type of thing he'd get up to.

RGARDINR · 19-07-2022 04:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359790#Comment_119359790

Probably the case but some would have military experience and let's be fair if there killed on the Battlefield its one less person in a Russian prison they need to guard so a win win for Russia. They get more people to fight in Ukraine and if they die 1 less for Russia to guard back in their jails/gulags. Only thing is I wouldn't want to be captured by some of them I can only imagine what they they would do to Ukrainian service people if they capture them and I can only imagine what some of them would be like around civilians. Some of them shouldn't ever see the light of day and now they have a gun and let loose in Ukraine.

19-07-2022 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119358667#Comment_119358667

It wasnt a problem in ww2 though for the swiss

They played both sides no problem then

19-07-2022 05:11PM

Russian war correspondent and milblogger Maksim Fomin stated that Russia has begun a “volunteer mobilization,” where every region must generate at least one volunteer battalion. The term “volunteer mobilization” likely implies that the Kremlin ordered the 85 “federal subjects” (regions, including occupied Sevastopol and Crimea) to recruit and financially incentivize volunteers to form new battalions, rather than referring to literal mobilization relying on conscription or the compulsory activation of all reservists in Russia. Russian outlets reported that regional officials recruit men up to 50 years old (or 60 for separate military specialties) for six-month contracts and offer salaries averaging 220,000 to 350,000 rubles per month (approximately $3,750 to $6,000).Separate regions offer an immediate enlistment bonus that averages 200,000 rubles (approximately $3,400) issued from the region‘s budget and social benefits for the servicemen and their families. Russian media has already confirmed the creation or deployment of volunteer battalions in Kursk, Primorskyi Krai, Republic of Bashkortostan, Chuvashia Republic, Chechnya, Republic of Tatarstan, Moscow City, Perm, Nizhny Novgorod, and Orenburg Oblasts in late June and early July.Tyumen Oblast officials announced the formation of volunteer units (not specifically a battalion) on July 7.

Volunteer battalions could generate around 34,000 new servicemen by the end of August if each federal subject produces at least one military unit of 400 men. Some Russian reports and documentation suggest that the Kremlin seeks to recruit an estimated 400 soldiers per battalion, who will receive a month of training before deploying to Ukraine. The number of men may vary as some federal subjects such as Republic of Tatarstan and Chechnya are establishing two and four volunteer battalions, respectively. It is possible that some federal subjects may delay or not participate in the establishment of the battalions, with officials in Volgograd reportedly remaining silent on the formation of the new units.Newly formed battalions are currently departing to training grounds and will likely complete their month-long training by end of August but they will not be combat ready in such a short time period.

Darth Putin · 19-07-2022 05:18PM

A month of training…

Strazdas · 19-07-2022 05:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360047#Comment_119360047

If there some ex-military among them, you could probably turn them into soldiers, but a lot of the others are just going to be unfocussed layabouts. Men who have ended up in the slammer are not likely to be disciplined or professional or types that will respond well to authority. I was reading that they have been very low calibre on the battlefield so far.

thomil · 19-07-2022 05:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360103#Comment_119360103

Not quite, they actually ended up getting bombed a few times for their efforts. And to be honest, some of those ere pretty bad, given Switzerland's supposed neutrality. The bombing of Schaffhausen by 47 B-24s on April 1st 1944 is probably the worst, resulting in 40 fatalities and 270 injured on the ground. Officially, it was a navigational error and the attack was claimed to be aimed at Ludwigshafen, 200 kilometers to the north, but I personally find it hard to believe that 47 B-24 Liberators could get that far off course, even with severe tail winds.

RGARDINR · 19-07-2022 05:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360197#Comment_119360197

Definitely but I say if you even have a few of them guarding behind the lines it frees up proper trained soldiers to front lines or if there put on the front lines and are made attack Ukrainian positions at the very least Ukraine is wasting ammo etc. On them. I'm sure there killing a few Ukrainian military but nothing on the amount Ukraine are killing them.

BKtje · 19-07-2022 05:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360103#Comment_119360103

I can't really speak for the Swiss during WW2, or now really but I can understand their stance somewhat in WW2. The choices were pretty much remain neutral or be invaded seeing as the entire country was surrounded by Axis controlled lands. There were also plenty of pro nazis in Switzerland unfortunately but then again there were also some in Ireland. It wasn't till towards the end of the war that the real extent of the atrocities came to light.

In any case I don't see what WW2 Switzerland neutrality has to do with the current conflict except that I guess it paves the way for their neutrality today.

Podge_irl · 19-07-2022 06:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360366#Comment_119360366

Again reasonable. They had little choice but to engage in some kind of relationship with Germany. Though they went over and beyond what was necessary by facilitating the hoarding of illegally obtained money by the Nazis.

it’s mostly relevant just to highlight that their neutrality is and always has been contextual and it means what they choose it to mean.

BKtje · 19-07-2022 06:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360426#Comment_119360426

Plenty of greedy bankers in Switzerland unfortunately, then and now. I can concede that their neutrality is "fluid" up to a certain point but there does seem to be some lines that they choose not to cross.

I know that some here believe that the sanctions have gone too far and that it has negatively impacted their neutrality and I fully believe that it will be put to a vote in the not so distant future. I just hope that the people reject that notion and perhaps also extend the sanctions in the future. I'd be very surprised if the Swiss status quo changes dramatically though, it's a very conservative country.

briany · 19-07-2022 07:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119359833#Comment_119359833

The Russians are as corrupt as the day is long. Russia could be a great superpower and the kind of country that people would emigrate to in numbers if it managed its plentiful resources correctly but it's still running off of an instinct inherited from the 19th century where democracy has turned into ruling by right and the serfs out in the country barely have running water.

Unfortunately, the cultural foundations of such a societal setup are too deeply embedded for anyone to fix it at short notice, but we can work to neuter them and prevent the spread of their toxic ideology.

zv2 · 19-07-2022 07:15PM

Another jet retires

https://twitter.com/Brave_spirit81/status/1549455990327844868?s=20&t=eeiCKEcT0wzKXFUJFL4mcA

Hobgoblin11 · 19-07-2022 08:00PM

Khamenei: NATO is a dangerous entity. The West is totally opposed to a strong, independent Russia. If the way is opened for NATO, it will recognize no limits. If it hadn't been stopped in Ukraine, it would have later started a similar war in Crimea

https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1549467361975193600

Say my name · 19-07-2022 08:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360138#Comment_119360138

Which district has Jennifer Lawrence?

Yurt2 · 19-07-2022 08:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360927#Comment_119360927

The Archbishop of Tehran has spoken.

19-07-2022 09:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360215#Comment_119360215

Nazi Germany repeatedly violated Swiss airspace. During the Battle of France in 1940, German aircraft violated Swiss airspace at least 197 times. In several air incidents, the Swiss shot down 11 Luftwaffe aircraft between 10 May and 17 June 1940, while suffering the loss of three of their own aircraft.Germany protested diplomatically on 5 June and with a second note on 19 June which contained explicit threats. Hitler was especially furious when he saw that German equipment was used to shoot down German pilots. He said they would respond "in another manner".On 20 June, the Swiss air force was ordered to stop intercepting planes violating Swiss airspace. Swiss fighters began instead to force intruding aircraft to land at Swiss airfields. Anti aircraft units still operated. Later, Hitler and Herman Goring sent saboteurs to destroy Swiss airfields but they were captured by Swiss troops before they could cause any damage.Skirmishes between German and Swiss troops took place on the northern border of Switzerland throughout the war.

Like i said,they played both sides,and mainly economically

realdanbreen · 19-07-2022 09:18PM

Anyone in Russia with the balls to overthrow their dictator while he's in Iran?

19-07-2022 09:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360366#Comment_119360366

Sweden done same in ww2,as the swiss,and even helped nazi germany invade Norway.

They made the choice recently to become a NATO member

The swiss banks are probably hiding alot of Putins money as well,its important to be on the right side when Europe is in a conflict,or else you will end up like another Serbia or Hungary

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