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Why is our connection with Wales so weak?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,726 ✭✭✭yagan


    Methodism was still tempered by the crown requirement that all methodist preachers had to train in Anglican seminaries and not preach or compete against the established church. That is why in so many towns the methodist hall was outside the civil parish boundary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Oh FFS, the forests I saw were far younger than fifty years old , we can't blame the Brits for the fact we have the lowest forest cover in Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    The south & west Welsh are fine people in my book, I've traveled extensively around the scenic south west coastal counties & always got on well with them, had a great time watching Hurling in Llanelli & Carmarthen pubs, they are fascinated by it & actually used to have their own version, I've seen the auld sticks in St Fagans museum outside Cardiff.

    I'm of course biased as I have Welsh relatives & friends & Wexford / Waterford roots. My grandmother had an Irish name connected with a now suburb of Cardiff, there are of course many Welsh origin surnames in Ireland, particularly in the south east coast counties. Many people in Cardiff have some Irish blood & the inner Cardiff City accent is considered to be a variant of Munster English, it's different to the small towns & villages outside. As for Irish immigration there traditionally was a lot to Wales, perhaps not so apparent during the post war period.

    As for the Welsh language, hearing it in Cardiff was rare during the 'mid '80's. Nowadays it is very common, travel up to the Valley towns & it is even more prominent, especially amongst the younger generation.

    I know it's easy to be critical of folk, my auld Wexford uncle doesn't like the Dubs, Nordies & Scots plus Northern English, loves the rest of the English & the Welsh, I'd try & say I've met some decent people from those places LOL!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    Wales was the first of the Celtic home countries to be conquered 1277 – 1283, during the reign of Edward I. As posters have said it does feel England lite. The strength of their language is an anomaly.

    The Scots were united with England and Ireland in 1603 under James I. The 3 kingdoms. And the 1707 Union. When their parliament was bought out by the English. As Burns wrote 'we're bought and sold for English gold, what a parcel of rogues in a nation'.

    We we're really conquered in 1603, after the 9 Years War. The Welsh 300 years earlier than us, probably 400 earlier than the Scots.






  • Its difficult to see now in the middle of this period of the UK / British Empire, but if you were able to view from a few hundred years after the inevitable Scottish independence, the current period of a few hundred years which saw of a collection of disparate countries ruled by England will be the anomaly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    True enough. Presently I feel that the Welsh were first to be anglicised. I know their independence movement was strong enough in the 1970s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭growleaves


    From the pov of future historians, as Andrew Roberts has pointed out, the US and Britain could be seen as one Anglo entity in two related parts, like the Western and Eastern Roman Empire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    The Welsh are fine.

    I remember when UK satellite Freeview first came out, I asked people on the Digital Spy Satellite forum for a UK Freeview Satellite card if anybody had one to spare.

    This was a big deal at the time to Irish people with a Sky box because the Irish card was very limited regarding UK channels.

    Four people responded, three Welsh and one from Portsmouth offered to post me out a card.

    One of them said they pick up Irish TV with a big aerial and prefer it to UK tv because at the time RTE used to show more sport than the UK channels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I would say its more to do with them living in the sea and us living on land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 905 ✭✭✭Butson


    It was the Cambro (Welsh) Normans that took up Diarmait Mac Murchada's offer of Invasion in 1170.

    this "Celtic Cousin" thing is pure myth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I like

    Dylan Thomas

    Cerys Matthews - her Sunday morning radio show on BBC is great stuff.

    The Pembrokeshire coastline

    Swansea

    Their anthem has real passion and verve, they really love singing it.

    I once spent 24 hours in Fishguard after a ferry was cancelled. I ended up walking up the hills above the port. It was early October and it was sunny. I picked loads of magic mushrooms and spent the whole day tripping around. It was cool. I got a lift from some locals up to the town, they were lovely.

    I have to admit that I have had some mixed experiences with some Welsh people, but on the whole they are nice people.

    I forgot to mention St Patrick, where would Ireland be without him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭touts


    They were the greatest example of Stockholm Syndrome until Patty Hearst picked up an AK-47. Now they aren't even number one at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    It’s little more than a county council talking shop.

    But if people wanna con themselves that it’s a parliament….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    I don't view the Welsh as any different to the English, they are unionists and I'm sure many of them were in the army during the troubles. My great aunt was married to a Welsh man who was a soldier during WW2. He was actually treated well when he lived in a republican village during the troubles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Why wouldn't he have been?, presumably he was no longer in the army at that stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,673 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I think it’s because us Irish, given our experience of English genocide in the 19th century, plus having to fight a 2 1/2 years war to get most of our independence, don’t recognise their claim to be a country, rather a a county of England. And don’t respect them for it .Quislings all of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Personally myself i think Wales is a great country with great people. Wales doesn't suffer from the same sectarian problems, that exist in Scotland and the north of Ireland either. As i say i love Wales, it really is an underrated country in my opinion.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Personally myself i'd pay no heed to it. This place is full of negative minded, spiteful and miserable so and so's who hate just about anything and everything. It sure must suck, living your life with such a hate filled glass half empty attitude!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,784 ✭✭✭✭Grayson



    O’Hanlon notes that just 10% of Ireland is under forest cover and, as we’ve stated in the past, it’s understood that just 1% of that is made-up of native Irish trees. If you’ve followed our work in the past you’ll know just how important native trees area to the surrounding environment.These incredibly low numbers are primarily due to human activity in the 18th and 19th centuries, and to a lesser extent also activities in the early 20th century.


    You can blame them. A lot of the deforestation occurred when they were here. Remember that the people who owned the bland were mainly absentee landlords who wanted to make sure they could extract as much money as possible from the land. Forests don't generate money.

    That's not to say that Irish governments haven't done their parts. They supported planting sitka and they destroyed our bogs. But it is possible to lay the blame for a lot at the feet of the british.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,784 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I think the reason we don't have as much of a connection is because they are dominated by the english. Most of our dealings with them are through Westminster. The relationship we have with england is so big it overshadows our relationship with them. Plus we don't have a large irish community there as far as I know. When people left Ireland they went to places like london, liverpool and manchester.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Because the overriding obsession with and barely disguised hatred of the English equates Welsh with English Lite as said half jokingly (or maybe not).

    Ignorance, basically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I said that the forests I saw in Wales are younger than our state, what's our excuse for lack of forestry post 1921 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,250 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    I know there is a dislike in Wales towards England but imo its not the sort of historic hatred that ourselves and Scotland would have towards them

    Wales looks a beautiful country and they seem nice people, going to Cardiff next month cant wait for it. Pity i wont have time to see the Valleys

    Out of all the Celtic nations, the Cornish and Britons are the less known ones, those Cornish lads took no **** id say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    TBH my experience of Wales is that they are a lot close to us in temperment than the Scots.



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