Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Are you at all aware how government operates in Ukraine 🤔 I am, I lived and worked there. Not at all sure what your referring to re birth certs and needing passport to do anything in Ukraine, they've a national ID card which if you know were to look can be got for about $50 online, Ukrainian Drivers license a little pricer.

It's 23 degrees outside, I'm not going to rehash discussions that have taken place over months on this thread.

No passports or even ID being requested on entry in a substantial amount of cases despite the Absurd EU directive, Bizzarely non Ukrainian passports being presented because those alledgedly with links to Ukraine or alledgedly resident there when directive kicked in are covered. In essence you could have been in Timbuktu, fown to Poland and on to Ireland and you were covered or traipsed across an entire continent, hopped on a free ferry and arrived here with a sob story and gained entry, this has and is happening, this is not make believe.

And even if Ukrainian Passports, Driving License or ID cards were being presented, there's absolutely NOWAY to verify if they are ligitimate, The Ukrainian system of government has shut down.

Now do what I'm doing, get out and get some sun 😉

Why doesn’t it ! Bizarre comment

I understood the thread to be about Ukrainians. I don't know why people are going on about people other than Ukrainians.

If the EU sent all the Ukrainians back tomorrow, it would merely hasten the defeat of Ukraine. If some ungrateful Ukrainian with their head up their hole is acting up or causing trouble, well we aren't doing it for that specific person. We are doing it as the price to help put manners on Russia. And I don't know about you, but I'd prefer for it to be done this way than be sending Irish people over there with guns. We can't send them all back because of the arseholes among them. Putting up with the arseholes among them is part of that price. And we are also helping the non-arseholes among them too.

We take access to a Bank account as being an automatic, inconsequential, thing. But actually, in large parts of the world, inability to access the banking system is a huge problem in terms of trying to get people out of poverty. Because of that, the EU mandates that citizens (and by extension, legal residents) must have access to basic banking services. The Ukrainians are not citizens, but given that the EU has basically recognised access to the Banking system as an important fundamental right, it cannot then deny them that access after "inviting" them in.

There is plenty of material on the topic out there if you are interested:

Even Dr. Evil Bill gets in on the act:

I personally don't do FB but it seems to have been infact a major source of info for aspiring refugees and indeed the go to source in search of Free accommodation in Ireland, that has been admitted hundreds of times on this and other threads by hosts, exasperated by the incompetence of the RC

So in the context of the Ukranian crisis FB has indeed proved to be a source of information and indeed Shenanigans 😉, I'm only surprised Mark Zuckerberg hasn't set up

www.facebookShenanigans.com

Yes, first hand, unedited reports, so surprise that said poster was attempting to discredit it 🎖😂

Well given that you can figure out that they are not Ukrainian just by driving past them, I'd say the fellas processing them might have a little inkling of a suspicion here or there. They probably aren't allowed to make summary decisions on their own, but I'd imagine they will get around to it. To claim asylum, you can enter the country on false papers or false pretenses, but once in, you have to declare it. So if you are a Nigerian who arrives into Dublin who can't speak any Ukrainian and you claim to be a Ukrainian, then after being processed and be shown not to be Ukrainian, you have lost your chance to apply for asylum through the proper process.

😂😂 For big girls blouses (can i say that)

Can you not print one off 🤔 I know a pain but that's the way it's gone, I've not had a paper bill in years, although when I open my EI bill, I get a black eye of late 😏

No problem at all with helping genuine Ukrainian refugees - old people, women & children. Any Ukrainian men who are eligible for conscription need to be sorted out pronto and put on a plane back to Ukraine.

We would hope that Ukrainian refugees - old people, women & children will be able to return when circumstances allow. And doubtless many will. But I don't see any Ukrainian men who are eligible for conscription daring to ever go back. How could they? So in our and their interests we should deport anyone in this category now.

Not all Ukrainians can speak Ukrainian :) Some Nigerians that studied in the West of the country speak better Ukrainian than Ukrainians from other parts of Ukraine. Same as not all naturalised Irish citizens can speak English.

So language alone is unlikely to be enough to determine anything.

That is why I said that after being processed and shown not to be. Obviously it would arouse reasonable suspicion.

What are the rules for dual nationals seeking asylum? I assume they can't obtain it if one of their nationalities is a safe country for them

Racism clearly running rampant in this country - Appalling to see.

People clearly have short memories, unaware of our history or simply the incredibly arrogant. We need to keep helping our European neighbours in Ukraine.

Simple as that.