Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

No genius. I'm asking a philosophical question. You're only confusing yourself by trying to make it specific before you understand it.

After you think about the general question, then you can later apply it to your Ukrainians or Sudanese or Syrians or whoever you want.

How about letting the government of Poland or which ever city they arrived in worry about that.

If people fancy driving from Kiev to Ireland its for economic reasons. We are at the opposite side of Europe and yet they drag kids along with them as they know we (tax payer) will give them FREE money.

It has nothing to do with empathy. Given you are still having difficulty, you can assume that you started with a million billion people claiming to be refugees. You went through them all and tried to check all of their details and all of their passports. When you get to the end, you now have X left whom you cannot verify their identities or background. Of that X, you know that 10 are genuine. X-10 are scammers. You just can't tell which ones. At what value of X do you change between sending them all back or keeping them all. X can be 10 if you want to. In that case, you know they are all genuine cases, they just don't have papers.

Does that help?

Helicopter in the winter to tory the boat can't go a lot of the time. 18 to arranmore went there's 4 left. Again the 4 are genuine refugees the others wanted a bigger town. You couldn't write it

It is not correct Ireland has taken in far more than per capita, far from it, what our government have actually done is taken in more than this country can reasonably cope with and thats abundantly clear. The 10.5K in emergency Accommodation, Thousands on housing waiting lists, Those struggling to purchase a home and the many trying to find a home to rent could have told government, if asked, last March, this is Bonkers.

THE UK"S RESPONSE.

I saw mention of the UK"S response earlier ON in the Thread and there's a number of points to be made.

Firstly the UK gov was roundly critised for its initial approach, at the time it seemed sexy to do so after all everyone else was consumed by virtue signalling. Who's critising their approach now 🤔 very few. They did what I believe was a sensible thing, processed applicants before they even left Ukraine or from other countries. They had strict rules and essentially introduced a Visa application process or Host requirement criteria.

Secondly the UK was under no obligation to admit anyone, the are no longer EU members.

Thirdly, the actual numbers actually admitted is very difficult to pin down as unlike Irish media, UK media rarely focus on the numbers, infact you'll find few fluff pieces in UK media. The government there do tend not to discuss the matter, it's not a priority, Shipping arms to Ukraine is.

Fourthly, it is believed somewhere in the region of 140k visa's have been issued but the actual numbers of arrivals far less, perhaps 80k but data hard to pin down, it is actually believed the ratio of Ukrainian refugees to UK population is 10 per 10,000. I suspect this is because of realisation there'll be no hand outs in the UK and they'll send you home in a heart beat, I don't believe they permit access to Non Ukrainian citizens either but open to correction.

Finally the actual supports offered are primarily focussed on Hosts and Relatives hosting Ukrainian refugees get NO supports. There's very basic SW allowances paid to Ukrainian refugees and the UK government certainly did not get involved in Renting hotels and offering accommodation to any one.

It's not really wise to compare the UK"s approach, it's a non EU member state. There has been Obvious Hypocrisy, Billions in Military aid to Zelenskyy and in reality very little support for Ukranian Refugees, something Zelenskyy has been very quite about.

Whilst the UK"s asylum policy re Rwanda are utterly appalling and there's little I'd agree with when it comes to conservative politics, I find it objectively difficult to find fault with their Ukrainian Refugee Policy and let's not forget they have very good reason to protect their borders.

The UK are giving more support to Ukraine than most of the other European countries. They are giving them weapons and training. There is a reason that Zelensky always praised Boris Johnson. He knew that the UK were supporting Ukraine as really needed.

It realty isn't. How can people like yourself not see that it is actually the price you pay for having a broken asylum system that is run by idiots who stubbornly refused to fix it while at the same time stubbornly refusing to deport even that broken systems failed applicatants?

'Tent town' shouldn't be set up for people fleeing a war, it should be where we warehouse those waiting for their one way flight home when their attempt to circumvent our immigration system has failed.

There absolutely no Liason with the Ukrainian Government, its barely functioning and there's literally no way to liaise, check or verify anything.

It would be easier to get info from Martians than from Zelenskyys government and even if there was info to be had, could any of it be seriously believable 🙄

I'd be surprised if the cowardly and Bankrupt Belarus would have the wherewithal to to manage a game of Tiddly Winks let alone be of any use to Putins war plans. Of course they are beholding to Putin and just a puppet state. If folks want to understand real hardship, vist Belarus, I have and its an appalling place and it's citizens have been brutalised by that pig Alexander Lukashenko for decades.

Alexander Lukashenko is to busy watching his own back and worried about civil unrest in his own country, He will of course continue to kiss putins backside but has mad as he clearly is,, he knows his limitations, a vile cretin who only thinks about himself and his cronies.