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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭eggy81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I must say reading the journal.ie comments are a bit of an eye-opener on the situation, between those calling anyone with even the slightest misapprehension about the influx far right, maga's and brexeteers and then those who believe these are the answer to our Labour shortages and must be "sorted and put to work asap" and then the come-one come-all crowd we will take your unvetted masses and others wanting us to take even More, comments must be censored there if one is not on message I suppose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Working means fcuk all- they’ll still all (more or less) need very significant welfare and state supports. It’s the typical defence mechanism from the open borders cult - unless they’re in very well paid employment and immediately there’s zero chance they’re supporting themselves fully. I’ve lived in Ireland all my life so know exactly how long it takes. And that’s with an education and work ethic. Neither of which I’ve seen any great evidence of yet tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Was that Niall Collins TD that said" "about 5.5 million people left Ukraine into Europe and we received 41k which is less than 1%".

    So say its 0.8% now that's going to go up. But the thing is most of them went to local countries so if you tot up the amount that are in local countries and take that away from the rest of Europe then we are way way above average.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Collins didn't have a credible answer for the most pressing question: what happens when more come tomorrow, next week?

    All he could spout was his government press office rehearsed lines and he couldn't even do that well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Both are a massive problem. And yes this “asylum” racket needs to be nipped in the bud immediately. Like what the U.K. are doing. A robust border control is essential in todays world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Yes, we/they are the real clowns. That’s for sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭road_high




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    thejournal is a propaganda machine. probably has half its staff writing all the comments. everything written there has to be taken with a large grain of salt



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    They don't seem to realise were stuck with what we have now. I Don't fault the Ukrainians for that. Give me a blank check would be hard to turn it down. Even if none arrive from now were still going to have huge issue down the line. Family reunification Could be another 20k men or women coming. And that's just spouses. Could go to extended family. That's where we will hit the 100k mark for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    They don’t care if Ireland can’t provide or not- they’ll still keep coming and take whatever is going. Even in a “tent” you’ll still be doing very nicely thank you with full welfare and the whole shabang laid on. They’d be crazy NOT to come here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Indeed. It’s far left Marxist anti Irish garbage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭votecounts


    I hate saying this and it comes across as harsh but you're an example why we should be prioritising Irish People. Hope you find a new place easy enough as it won't be easy. May involve moving to a different town, city which means uprooting children from their school and friends. This govt is more concerned with getting pats on the back from the world but are forgetting about people who pay taxes and contribute to society.

    Take care Grandeeod, hope it works out again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    There is a site next to that army place and it has let's say unlawful people there. Been readied a few times. And suspected for the death of two people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I wager the Ukraine men will have no issue making the area secure. The crowd next door may think their tough. Prob only take a few lads in Adidas to sort it out. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Cornelius might not be there but I wouldn't drive down past the army camp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Let's just say don't take the wrong turn.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,731 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Seems that even the media are realising people have had enough. Top story in the IT this morning.


    Irish Times poll: Voters favour limit on number of Ukranians admitted into State

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    Also seems that most are fed up with the preferential treatment

    A clear majority also disagree with the Government’s policy of treating refugees from Ukraine differently to other refugees. At present, Ukrainians are automatically granted temporary protection in Ireland, while arrivals from other countries must go through a lengthy process to satisfy the authorities that they are entitled to international protection.


    Just over a quarter of voters (27 per cent) agreed with the statement “I think it is okay to treat Ukrainian asylum seekers and refugees differently to other people seeking refuge here”, while 66 per cent disagreed.


    It's about time!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,731 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Some texts in to newstalk there calling out Shane Coleman's complaints that we don't care as much anymore and suggesting more needs to be done to support countries neighbouring Ukraine itself instead, and another saying they withdrew their offer of accommodation because the refugees aren't vetted.

    Of course, the whole point of this show is to provoke people into texting them at premium rates, but it's heartening to hear people saying things that the rest of us here have known for weeks or even months at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Three articles in the Irish times alone this morning, but of course Government will focus entirely on the first Pie Chart , Ireland must live up to its international obligations , which I don't believe translates into deliberately creating chaos in its own country, whilst ignoring the other poll results.

    Meanwhile over at the Independent, the fluffyness and Virtue signalling continues. Houses lying empty and Ukrainians forced to sleep in Tents.

    No one is being forced to do anything 🙄

    And what about those Empty houses, possibly being considered for "others" in emergency Accommodation??, clearly the Indo not terribly concerned about them.


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shane Coleman on Newstalk now was interviewing someone from Peter McVerry Trust. The interviewee was really bad, trying to defend reasons that hosts had not materialised by saying they had tried to contact them numerous times (but hadn't left a message or said what the call was about). He maintained that all these people were still going to pledge their house or a room!

    Most of these pledges are now 4 months old and people have changed their minds, that's the reality. However at the end Shane Coleman said its a sad reflection on Irish people that they have now stopped donating and have changed their minds about hosting families. How out of touch are our media as well as Government! Honestly the dogs on the street could tell you the mood has reversed completely now, its gone the other way and this Govt have only themselves to blame. It reminds me of Covid and our 2 year lockdown, always the stick, never the carrot.

    Its desperately sad to see Grandeeod's post earlier crying themselves to sleep with worry about being evicted soon. He/she has lived here all their lives and paid taxes, reared their children here. No mention EVER anymore of Irish people! Its just ****. I am in a far luckier position of owing my house but I live alone .....in East Meath. I feel so anxious and worried all the time now, most nights I don't sleep. I just feel scared for what it happening and the future. I have put my house up for sale this week, I am out of here. I have family in various rural areas of Ireland and will move closer to one of them. Yes I know refugees and asylum seekers are everywhere now, there is no escape but I need the space of the countryside and to be closer to someone I know. I find what is happening deeply unsettling.



  • Posts: 700 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We'll have Moroccans to house in another few months!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,731 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yep the contrasting tone of the two headlines is amazing when you see it like that.

    You're absolutely right too. The "live up to international obligations" result should be in the context of the other results, but of course the cabinet will resist this reality until the last.

    Things do seem to be coming to a head though. If the IT is confident enough to have that as their main morning headline, there will be some uncomfortable shifting among those TDs not at the top table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Looks like a Delightful place , I hope some landscaping will be done before Monday . Government can't have to place looking grotty for photo OP'S. I wonder will Michael Martin, Heather Humphries and Helen Mc Entee be on standby to perhaps cut a ribbon and Greet all the new residences , surely it's the least they could do .

    It's mind boggling , what's going on and still Government can just use one four letter word.

    STOP


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I absolutely agree, it's absolutely astonishing it's taken a Tent City and Ukrainian refugees sleeping on the floor at an old terminal building to rattle this Government and indeed mainstream Irish media.

    And yet barely a peep about what occurred in the Red Cow Hotel (not Ukrainian refugees) , Ukrainians still accommodated in community halls around the country and just being reported this morning, 4k already approved and processed DP residents stuck in DP as they've nowhere to go, I'll repeat 4k .

    Just extraordinary, sentiment and narrative changing, some Government ministers may need to rethink holiday Plans 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,731 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Always remember that the opinions given by the presenters on NT are designed to get people texting in at 30c a pop. It's no different than the shock jock talk shows having some loon on to get others calling in to argue with them.

    I really do have sympathy for the situation though - that posters like Grandeeod are finding themselves in. Those are the real victims, not chancers travelling across the whole of Europe to get here for "free stuff". It was already a problem with the "refugees" travelling via France and the UK, but it's been laid bare for all to see now.

    As was said above, no one is forcing these people to come or indeed remain here. They are bypassing multiple safe harbours to do it (including the majority of their own country in the case of Ukranians).

    Given the varying places these people are coming from it's become a con on a global scale and we are the marks.



  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is precisely the issue. No one in government or in the media has the balls, or spine, to admit that enough is enough and we can't cope with, and don't want, any more.


    It really is as simple as that. Everything they say is a word salad to try and avoid that cold, hard, reality.



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