Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

You see I think this is part of the problem. I agree with you but ranting on Boards or Twitter is what 99.9% of us are doing. That's going nowhere. Whether you have zero interest in engaging with local politicians isn't a good enough reason to do nothing. People create change! Look what the Dutch farmers are doing and the attention it's getting. If we do nothing we deserve all of this. The Government are back slapping each other as they head off for their 2 month holidays , thinking they're great lads. Even the face of Thomas Byrne (another of my local reps) in his stubble who smirks, grins and simpers in any photo as he stands beside MM makes me so angry. He is doing nothing for this massive East Meath community except strangle us.

So take the time sit down a write to each and every one of your local reps. The reason they DON'T reply is that they know bloody well what the mood among the public is. They KNOW what they are pushing through. Tell them the country you were born in is becoming unrecognisable. Tell them they will NEVER get another vote and this is also shared by all of your family, friends and colleagues (who pay their massive salaries!). Tell them they completely out of touch with the mood on the streets. Even if you get no reply (and you won't as they are not going to address this) if they get massive amounts of backlash they will know for sure they are in trouble. Each of every one of them will lose their seats in the next election. There is huge anger among the ordinary people who are watching their hotels, their schools and their towns being taken over by strangers.

Stop giving out online and take action, write to every TD and every local representative you can think of and at least word is getting further than Boards and Twitter where you're called racist for asking a question

Well, it depends what you want. If you just want a stable government/society, where you don't need to care about most things, then, I'd recommend Asia. You'll always be an outsider, but you'll know where you stand, and their societies don't tend to change much beyond the most superficial of changes.

But any western nation is pretty much screwed. Democratic/Western cultures are incredibly weak to foreign cultures (minorities that grow in time to have direct influence), and the impact of social change coming out of the US or Western Academia/Activism. Democracies no longer represent the interests of the electorates, as politicians have had decades to rework the system to favour themselves.

TBH there are plenty of places around the world where you can carve yourself a nice little place of calm. You just have to rein in your expectations, and sense of entitlement.

There is a difference though. Those immigrants passed a range of requirements as part of our immigration policies, including background checks. Also love how out of the list of nationalities you provided, most were European and have been for decades already.

The Ukrainians got into Ireland without any checks for criminality of any kind. It's worth remembering that Ukraine is very different to Ireland... or even Poland in the range and extremity of the type of crime that occurred there (you should take a look at their crime statistics before the war, taking into account their poor judicial system and institutionalised corruption). There is also the aspect of corruption being commonly present in just about every aspect of their society, so we're taking in people who will likely expect to continue that kind of behaviour here.

Our society will change as a result of this influx of Ukrainians.. some positives, and some negatives... and in most cases, Irish people will be the victims of the scams, or other crimes that arise (as the predominate population in the country).

I genuinely don't get this "it'll be grand" attitude, dismissing the likely risks involved. I could appreciate your position better if Ukrainians were subject to the same requirements as other migrants.. but they haven't been.

men can't leave Ukraine?? Since when?

One of the first stories was a young Ukrainian couple who drove over from Ukraine , the entire way across to Europe to Ireland. Their car was subsequently broken into in the Talbot Street area of Dublin most of their stuff stolen. They got on to Joe Duffy Show and started a Go Fund Me page and raised loads of money for their road trip around Ireland.

There are hundreds of Ukrainian men here at the moment who are of fighting age, there is no ban on them leaving Ukraine on humanitarian grounds.

Women are most definitely criminal types (just as much as males can be).. their culture is not our culture. Marriage/dating scams are extremely common in Ukraine, same with the scams/crime associated with prostitution (not just prostitution itself) and who do you think is doing those kind of scams?

Also, men can leave Ukraine, as neither the EU/the UN or the aid organisations will discriminate based on sex, and more importantly, are under no obligation to enforce the Ukrainian conscription orders. In any case, conscription has not taken in a large percentage of Ukrainian males, and I'm not aware of any laws against Ukrainian males leaving the country... unless you have some evidence of it?