Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Lol nope. I've read it. I'm just not aware of a specific figure and as I said not arsed to find it for you when you constantly dodge points. Oyour fellow conspiracy theorist however did dismiss it without reading it and claimed it was fraudulent. As always you ignored this because you're fine with your friends spreading misinformation.

Like for example you dodge my question in the previous post.

Since you don't believe that the paper is a fraud and you agree it's peer reviewed, you accept its conclusions.

They claimed it a false study and when I asked if they believed it was fraudulent they avoided the question. So yea made that assumption.

OK. So you believe thay the study is garbage. Is this because the authors are just incompetent then?

It can't be that they are conducting fraud cause you objected to that notion.

And of it is incompetence how did the paper get published?

You guys keep whinging about it, but when you are asked directly questions about what you believe, you ignore it.

You don't know what to make of the study. OK.

So then can you agree that it's not possible that the study is fraudulent?

Can you agree that it's not possible for the study to be wrong due to incompetence?

Great. So it's not likely to be fraudulent or wrong. So then it's likely to be correct?

So you keep saying.

The only people convinced of this are your fellow conspiracy theorists.

You keep ignoring things and using your feigned offence as an excuse to do so. If I spend the time and effort to explain the paper to you, you will use this tactic to bail from the discussion when you find yourself in a corner. You do it all the time.

At the same time, it's pointless to actually explain the study, because it shouldn't be in question. It's peer reviewed. It's published in a reputable journal. The conclusions and clear and I have not misrepresented them.

You agree that the study isn't fraudulent or incompetent. You agree that since it's published and the authors are more knowledgeable and trained in statistics, virology and other relevant fields than you are, that the study's conclusions are valid.

However, since this is a conspiracy forum, and not a science forum, you are simply looking for an excuse to ignore and disregard the study because you don't like the conclusion.

You are still holding up the pretence of being a fence sitter, so you know you can't just cry cover up or fraud like your friends.

So you're now claiming this nonsense that studies based on models are all invalid.

If that was the case, the study would not have been published. The peer review process would have rejected it because it's conclusions were false and invalid. The people writing the study would not have done it since they aren't frauds and aren't stupid. They would know what you do and that studies like this are invalid.

So please explain why they study was published when it's wrong.

I don't think you can, because you're simply grasping at straws to avoid the study's conclusion. As such, you will ignore this question.

(BTW: Here's what the study used to determine the efficacy of the vaccine: https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/6-185 I will assume that this study is also invalid in your expert view.)

Ah, remember last December everyone was screaming "This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated!!" "The unvaccinated make up a disproportionate amount of cases in ICU" Blah, Blah, Blah!

That was all forgotten about very quickly in the first half of the year...

Now vaccination status of those in hospital could not be any less relevant to the health authorities it appears, given that most are over 65 (i.e. the group that are 99% vaccinated)

This is really embarrassing stuff, I can't believe some in this forum are still showing their faces here...

The unvaccinated were making up a disproportionate amount of cases in ICU and hospital.

This is indisputable.

So even if it is no longer the case due to Omicron - and that is very much not established - that does not alter those correct and factual statements.

Unless you believe in time travel but not space travel?

Markus, you claimed that all spaceflight is fake. You ended up trying and failing to make a fake image to trick people in some elaborate attempt to do something. You ran away from that thread in shame. Or do you not remember that?

Again, you embarrass other conspiracy theorists by posting. You give us the perfect example of how you guys are not rational and will believe any old shite as long as it's a conspiracy.

Happy to let the mod point out otherwise, but pointing out a verified track record of lying does not put your personal anecdotes in good stead which is the point being made.

Bag of chips can fill in whether people can counter my lived experience of people falling off the side of the Earth or tasting moon cheese.