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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's all part of the game. Whether Navalny is "in on it" or not is almost irrelevant. If he does go off the radar a new "opposition" will be allowed to rise to a certain level before being cut off.

    EDIT: Or he might off him and just end the pretence of anything other than dictatorship.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    😁 Man you are absolutely allergic to responding to points raised and just go back to the tried and true checklist of "Russia's winning! FACT!". This is fun.

    Can your Mother Russia design and produce the device you're typing this on without Western tech? Yes/No.

    Can Mother Russia design and produce a current technology washing machine without Western tech? Yes/No.

    Can Mother Russia design and produce a modern airliner without Western tech? Yes/No.

    Can Mother Russia build and fly a current gen Soyuz without Western tech and without getting a third gen out of a museum? Yes/No.

    Oh and who produces the vast majority of the pumps and other tech for Russia's gas and oil mapping, extraction and pumping?

    And Russia was already suffering from a "brain drain" in 2020 before this all kicked off. So much so that putin himself referenced it and how to stop it. Since his misadventure in Ukraine that has gone up in a big way.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Fair point , but what difference does it make as to the civilians political leaning.

    Under the Geneva convention , you can't target civilians, so how will Ukraine work around that as they look to retake their cities.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    IMHO if they've any sense they won't bother. Tie Russia down along the borders, defend the Odessa coast to the hilt and leave them to Donbas. It was a a clusterfúck anyway and an even bigger one now after Russia's "liberation". One that Russia will have to rebuild, while Ukraine looks West and never looks north to Moscow again. And the Geneva convention is essentially meaningless as pretty much every force since the ink dried on it in the late 1940's has "targeted civillians".

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation who put the first man in in space and orbitted the earth cant make a washing machine.

    Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation with the only operational floating nuclear power station cant make a tumble dryer.

    Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation which had the first hypersonic missile cant produce a word processor .

    The latest US Hypersonic missile test failed , the US hasnt mastered it yet and yet Russia is already using Hypersonic missiles in combat ,

    and this loolah is still going on about Russian tech as if they have no hope.

    cmon Im begging a mod to come safe this guy from further embarassment.







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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Translation - According to the Mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov, the Ukrainians attacked the Melitopol airfield, 200 Russians were killed and 300 more were wounded.
    



    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Great your making good progress, you know the difference between a washing machine and a Soyuz MS19 rocket.

    Next step is for you to figure out which one is more complex . The rocket or the washing machine ? Its 50 50, you can make a guess if you wish.

    Then when you figure that out , try to figure out if someone who put together a rocket that orbits the earth , can figure out how to make a machine that gets clothes to go in another small orbit of sorts with some water added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Presumably they won't care too much at this stage about Russian or Pro Russian casualties, whether military or civilian. Russia has torn up that notion to shreds and if you live by the sword, you die by it etc. Ukraine is restrained from openly attacking targets across the border but anything in territory occupied by the invading force will be fair game. Not so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    If you want to play that game, they didn't put the first man on the moon or acquire operational nuclear weapons first.

    Perhaps floating nuclear power plants is a stupid idea.

    Where's Silicon Valley?

    You got too giddy with your cheerleading and jumped too high, now we've all seen what's under your skirt !!!!



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the American public will tire of it though, and the republic election message will be that biden’s war mongering is driving up the cost of gas and that average Joe American is suffering because of it,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    But there is also wall to wall coverage of it, it's the big bad old Russian bear and that Zelenskiy lad is on TV all the time. Should get the year out of it. You could bet on the GOP doing that anyway but they have agreed to back the military expenditure and will probably continue to do so. Photo ops in Kiev doth make heroes of people! It's only the likes of the good congresswoman from "Joegia" who are expressing contrary opinions.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Numbers sound pretty fanciful but it looks like there's been serious action in the south recently. Ukraine don't want lots of reporting and Russia are keeping shtum which might be a good sign.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Electronically speaking, almost certainly the washing machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    The things is thats not the game we are playing, cos Im not claiming Western tech is useless, so no need to tell me about western space exploits etc.

    Posters are claiming Russia will be lost without access to western tech , clearly Russia has survived before , will survive again and is far ahead of the west in many areas of tech this very day. So Im comfortable claiming Russia has all these tech achievements, and will figure out how to resolve the washing machine issue. Telling me the US put a man on the moon is meaningless in the context of whats being discussed . Besides China will probably happily step in to trade tech with Russia, no reason to believe they wont.

    Im very aware of Silicon Valley, the question is are you aware of how much software developed in Russia that your communication to me has most likely passed thru, you probably have no idea of how much software developed in Russia but sold by Western companys , that you have interacted with today. In fact Id wager the device you are using has quite a bit of software/firmware that was developed in Russia for a household name Western tech vendor. That would blow your mind.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You still avoided the direct questions didn't you?

    Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation who put the first man in in space and orbitted the earth cant make a washing machine.

    Yuri's rocket ran on 1950's tech that didn't use integrated circuits. Rockets are actually quite "dumb" old school tech. Damned difficult to engineer and get right and they certainly got it right, but they don't require the chip that controls your keyboard. A SpaceX rocket does but that's way ahead of them. America landed men on the moon using a computer with about 40 kbs of working memory. The virtual button you swipe to open your phone uses more than that.

    Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation with the only operational floating nuclear power station cant make a tumble dryer.

    Where did the integrated circuits that control that "floating nuclear power station" come from, or are they using valves, transistors and 80's IT?

    Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation which had the first hypersonic missile cant produce a word processor .

    They can't and they haven't, instead they relied upon Western tech to take up the slack. Well they did give it a go in the 80's, but even then they were generations behind the Western stuff.

    So again:

    Can your Mother Russia design and produce the device you're typing this on without Western tech? Yes/No.

    Can Mother Russia design and produce a current technology washing machine without Western tech? Yes/No.

    Can Mother Russia design and produce a modern airliner without Western tech? Yes/No.

    Can Mother Russia build and fly a current gen Soyuz without Western tech and without getting a third gen out of a museum? Yes/No.

    Oh and who produces the vast majority of the pumps and other tech for Russia's gas and oil mapping, extraction and pumping?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel



    It is clear as day that as much as Russia desperately needs a cease-fire Ukraine will not stop until Putin says sorry and Russia quits their invasion to go home.

    Quote from the above report

    "I have a Russian last name. I know many people there. And I know that many ordinary Russians seem to support (President Vladimir Putin's) policy to kill ordinary Ukrainians. For me, it's been a shock to see this and a really big question is: How is this generation (of Russians) ever going to look Ukrainians in the eye after all these actions?" Venediktova, a former law professor, said. "They behave like barbarians."  

    Dan.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’ve American family and they’re not buying it and cost of gas trumps beating the Russians, though they increasingly see as an irrelevance. Maybe not representative but I’m not sure that the contrarians are as few as you think they are. Even the NYT reporting on difficulties of keeping the public on side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " Oh and who produces the vast majority of the pumps and other tech for Russia's gas and oil mapping, extraction and pumping? "

    Yep that will work out great , lets hold back all the equipment and delay the maintenance on Nord Stream 1. Lets ensure Putin keeps the pipeline closed for months.

    Id say Germany heavy engineering is sending whatever Russia put on the shopping list to ensure Putin has no shortage of western equipment to get the maintenance on NS-1 completed. Imagine if Putin comes out and says the pipeline wont re-open because the west didnt send us some equipment, their goes inflation and you can lock in an EU recession.

    Your completely bonkers mate, you think we are winning the economic battle and think because we supply equipment for a gas pipeline that comes from Russia and keeps the EU afloat that we some how have a strong hand to play.

    You better have plenty room in that house of your for all the other delusional acolytes, come winter ye can sit around in the cold or crowd fund for the heating and maybe use all the gas pipeline hardware ye kept from Russia as seating.

    I flew in Antonovs and Illyushins in the 90s, Im plenty aware what Russia aircraft industry was capable of and not capable of with limited access to western tech. Cue the conspiracy theory guys on here go mental when they learn that.

    Another 500 million from the EU to Russia passed thru the wires today and lads here are worrying about whether the Russians can make a washing machine that has a cycle thats gentle on coloured fabrics.

    Lets talk again tomorrow, Ive some borscht to eat, its remarkably like an Irish stew but lighter and with more flavour, often served with a Belarussian sour cream.

    Here we go, cue the 'food is pro-Putin' conspiracy theorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    That nation was the Soviet Union (+ all of its satellites), not Russia.

    Putin's Russia is I think much reduced from those days as regards technological and scientific abilities and manufacturing capacity.

    They have struggled with "revamping" their military with new technology or even maintaining everything the Soviets left them and weapons is one of the few manufactured goods Russia exports alot of and is an expert in.

    Stuff that's useful for humanity and not a f-cking crime and a waste like weapons (e.g. Covid-19 vaccines say) - not so much. Did you get your dose of "Sputnik"?

    Instead, during the pandemic, Russia tried to drag others who are just plain better than them down to their level by spreading lies, bolloxology and conspiracy theories around the world through the internet and their state media.

    The only hope Russia has over time is Sugar Daddy Xi coming through for them in a big way as a provider of technology and manufacturing capacity to back-fill things they can't get from the West any more (which he may yet decide to do I suppose, but he won't do it for nothing that's for sure). On their own, if the sanctions stay and hopefully get tightened up I don't think they have a chance (+ they will be on a spiral downwards from where they are now)!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Putin shutting down the gas pipelines would just remove whatever leverage he has left over Western Europe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    In relation to Zens hyper missile talk, the US is an honest and open country so when stuff goes wrong they do not cover it up. Russia covers up everything only to get caught out from time to time. When that nuclear-power forever circulating missile thing fell from the sky last year was recovered and blew up in port what did Russia do...! yeep hushed it up and turned off all the atomic readers and sensors.

    I will say nothing about the Kursk, lets's face it, if Russia could have covered that up they would have.

    I am much happier with an open and frank government admitting when things go wrong.

    China and Russia... NO THANK YOU.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's something I've been wondering about for ages. How does Russia see the future relationship between Russia and Ukraine? They seem unbelievably blasé about the fact that they have invaded their large next door neighbour and killed tens of thousands of civilians and destroyed several cities. It's almost as if they have gone so far down the rabbit hole of Russian nationalist propaganda that they're scarcely even aware of the implications of waging war on a neighbour like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,957 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets



    The US is currently well underway in developing its 6th generation Stealth fighter (really a system of platforms), its 3rd generation Stealth Bomber and its newest generations of nuclear powered aircraft carriers.

    To date, Russia has a small number debatably stealthy fighters, with a sub-par engine. Their singular carrier has to be towed around belching smoke, because it breaks down constantly.

    Encrypted radio systems and night vision optics are standard issue for US troops, seemingly a rarity for Russian ones. As are socks.

    Point being, Russian is a hollow shell, despite all your crowing. This war has been the greatest political victory for the US and the west for decades, coming at a time when Russian and China were increasing winning political support overseas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    If You ask the average American how much the war in Afghanistan cost they wouldn't have a clue, they mightn't even know it ever happened, so I'm not sure the average yank will save poo tin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    At Sloviansk direction Russian army shelled Krasnopillia, Pervomaiske, Nova Mykolaivka, Bohorodychne, Adamivka, Dolyna, Mazanka, Dibrivne, Chepil and Mospanove. Ukrainian military repelled attack at Dolyna village, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

    the next big city is Sloviansk!

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The war in Afghanistan didn’t impact on peoples lives in any way whatsoever

    rightly or wrongly in this instance there is a connection being drawn between this war and peoples deteriorating personal circumstances



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    A new law is about to be passed in Russia making it compulsory for workers to do unpaid overtime to help the war effort

    I guess that's a side effect of a booming economy (not)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    In regards to space technology. The Soviets (along with the US) may have been one of the pioneers of rocket technology with their space program and admittedly the US has had to rely on them up until quite recently.

    But something I have been following myself for a while is the development of the new space x starship rocket they are developing. They have a long way to go yet. But if they realise the potential of this new rocket in the years to come it is going to blow everything else out of the water. I Can't imagine how Russia could come anything close to having anything like this for a very long time.

    As far as space technology is concerned I think Russia are going to become more or less irrelevant in the coming years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Lol. At first it was "USSR was a pioneer in the space race, you think they can't make a washing machine".

    Suddenly it's "The EU is still buying Russia fuel and lads here are worried about if Russia can make a washing machine".

    No-one gives a toss what Russia can or can't make, they're just correctly pointing out that Russia is in a rather serious spot of bother with lack of access to essential western tech and will, in fact, be unable to produce a lot of modern technology, military or civilian, low end and high end.

    "Russia can, for various reasons including cultural/societal, bear the sanctions well enough and the west is hurting more relatively speaking" is an opinion I can accept.

    "Russia is a technological leader and more advanced than the west in many ways" is utter Hitler Bunker April 1945 level delusion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn




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