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zv2 · 05-07-2022 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119291369#Comment_119291369

You're right I thought it was an impact.

wassie · 05-07-2022 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292025#Comment_119292025

I wonder who ~~deals~~ steals in alot of commodities, RUSSIA , sure to reap a rich financial harvest (pun intended) from that. .

Fixed that for you!

https://www.bbc.com/news/61790625

Furze99 · 05-07-2022 10:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292025#Comment_119292025

Well all I can say is that I prefer Wibbs analysis compared to your RT garbage. Of course, the 'West' is taking a hit but one worth soaking up a bit of pain for.

05-07-2022 10:03AM

Military experts (actual experts) i have listened to on the radio are dismissive of the ability of Ukraine to push Russia back from territory they have lost, even if they did get more weapons. The overwhelming prognosis is a stalemate, once Russia have taken the Donbas and dug in, and years of skirmishes and shelling (even if there is a deal to give up the Donbas in return for security guarantees and a formal NATO defence pact with what remains of Ukraine, the view from the actual experts is that that won’t stop long term fighting in the east, both sides accusing the other of breaking ceasefires)

mesnwhile the rest of Ukraine dusts itself off and rebuilds, while Russia goes down the toilet

ZenNature · 05-07-2022 10:06AM

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I dont think you really making any great insight there, yeah Russia takes in revenue and uses it to pay their public sector.

Thats kind of how every nation is meant to do it.

Russia's debt ratio is one of the lowest in the world at 19.48% of its GDP. Russia is the ninth least indebted country in the world.

Irelands is closer to 60%. The ratio is a number oft times debated, but its clear Rusisa is one of the least indebted countries in the world. The Financial Times didnt call their Central Bank Govenor the best central banker in the world for nothing.

Western financial media (you can take their reports however you want) reports that Russia was in budget surplus territory in recent quarters .

So yeah they have a war to pay for, they had one of the lowest debt ratios in the world, are in budget surplus and we, the EU, are sending them 500 million a day (in the summer, any thoughts what it might be by winter), and they will use that money we send them to pay for wages and warfare.

I guess your in the camp we are winning the economic war, free country go for it. To my mind its at best wishful thinking at worst its pure ignorance.

Im in the camp everyone I know in Ireland is complaining of the cost of living, and Russia has the lowest debt ratio in the world, and we send them 500 million a day , and major countries are still trading with them, and they have pivoted East and been welcomed and they are gaining ground in Ukraine and winter is coming ... you get the picture that REALITY is painting.

oh hang on I hear a chorus of but down the line x y and z will happen, the same chorus that said their troops were useless and their economy would crash right before they took 20% of Ukraine and are making more money than ever before.

Reality folks, check it out its cool and liberating once you embrace it, and it helps to get problems solved.

zv2 · 05-07-2022 10:06AM

The problem with Russia was overconfidence. They thought they'd just walk in, take out some key targets and clean up. Then they got a Javelin between the eyes. Then they thought 'what now?' let's Groznify the place. But that's going at a snail's pace. I don't think gaining land is such a big deal. If Ukr. gets what it needs it can take back the south coast, with a huge price for Russia to pay. And Putin is not going to be in power for long by the looks of it. Whoever gets in power next would be wise to take the offramp: Well that previous guy was an idiot, let's calm down and fix his mess.

ZenNature · 05-07-2022 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292083#Comment_119292083

Are you a Russian pro-putin bot, your not allowed to point out that Russia has gained some military strategic wins around here. Posters tend to be very sensitive to pointing out facts and truth, they think all facts that dont make them jump for joy are dis-information.

I dont think NATO expands into Ukraine, they will kick it down the can. And I dont think Russia will go down the toilet either. The world and more importantly the EAST will be happy to trade with them for the basic raw materials of life on this planet. If a settlement is reached then the west will resume normal service trading commodities with Russia, we need their stuff too much to walk away from it. Their will be a lot of political posturing and statements but with trillions in resources lying in the grounds of Russia , the west money men will soon make deals. But I could be wrong on that all based on a settlement being reached soon and all based on Putin or someone like him staying in power.

Wibbs · 05-07-2022 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292025#Comment_119292025

Avoid my points like the plague because they're not in Mother Russia's handbook of how to deal with decadent western pigdogs talking sense. So you continue to deflect and get ever more frustrated. About par for the course Ted.

The "S&P 500 its worst 6 months since 1970", yep and it was going down before Mother Russia went on a landgrab. A goodly chunk of it to do with on over buy on tech stocks that was in dire need of market adjustment.

"Stocks, bonds are on track for their worst year since post-Civil War" yep and that was happening before Mother Russia went on a landgrab too.

You seem to have forgotten a world wide pandemic that blew up some parts of the market and depressed others. Meanwhile in Mother Russia and seeing as you like FT linkehs...

https://markets.ft.com/data/world/countries/russia

Going down like a three Rouble hooker. Including oil and gas. Inflation in double figures and closer to 20% than 10%. Imports decimated, locked out of the majority of money markets, foreign asset reserves unavailable, paper default on debts, though they can't even access international borrowing anyway, and so on. If the "West" has a migraine, Mother Russia has a brain tumour.

nigeldaniel · 05-07-2022 10:29AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/04/asia/uzbekistan-violence-protests-karakalpakstan-intl-hnk/index.html

This kind of thing is on the increase throughout former Soviet bloc countries in the est. One wonders what is really going on.

ZenNature · 05-07-2022 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292164#Comment_119292164

yeah but Im not claiming that Russia is WINNING the economic war, my position is more that Russia isnt losing it or at least isnt losing it as badly as some might have you believe and that they are compensating for much of these losses by turning east and they have new increased trading partners to boot. .

Your the one claiming the west is winning, and so far you haven't been able too .

Theres a reason Russia is the home of Chess, they understand the value of a draw, reaching a point where you dont win but dont lose either and go on to fight the next contest.

Ive let the sibilings know that some people like yourself on boards think we are winning the economic war. They asked if you could pay for their increased expenses given you have the insight on how we are winning. Seems fair to me, PM me so I can send a bill for increased school expenses . one of them has to commute quite far into the city for work, would you be willing to help out with that, given your saying we are winning.

Thats mad, not since Geroge Washington over 200 years ago, has the 10 year performed so bad, and theres loolahs out there saying the west is winning .

zv2 · 05-07-2022 10:31AM

Mad stuff

https://twitter.com/Pegasus15056622/status/1544245963623211010?s=20&t=SUiCROpNEhaC3xfyWesSCQ

You can see the flash, above the target, just before impact. SMArt 155 - Wikipedia

Rawr · 05-07-2022 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292083#Comment_119292083

It's a frustrating but likely situation for the medium / long term here. You kind of wish to be able to call out "It'll be done by Christmas!", which all history-fans know is a phrase that is just asking for trouble. Likely we're seeing a situation where Ukraine is arming to secure what's left of itself from an increasingly desperate (near feral) Russian attack.

I'd like to see them keep pushing at Kherson and get most of the south coast back. If anything to help secure safe passage for the grain. Cutting off the land-bridge to Crimea would be a great, but I feel the Russians could dig in here too, since the Dniper makes a great natural barrier down there.

But I think this is going to take years, unless there's kind of spectacular collapse within Russia in the next year or so, or some kind full Nato advance. I really hope for Ukraine to win back all of their territory and end this sooner, but I also fear that it will probably take a while.

zv2 · 05-07-2022 10:54AM

Opinion | Ukraine Is the Latest Neocon Disaster | Jeffrey D. Sachs (commondreams.org) BUT, without America, we'd all be speaking Russian now.

Wibbs · 05-07-2022 11:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292219#Comment_119292219

Still avoiding my numerous points though. Not great evidence of "winning" on your part for Mother Russia's. Yes our inflation is up just under 10%, Mother Russia's is up just under 20%. Compare and contrast. As you like caps so much DOUBLE! and as I pointed out Mother Russia can't even produce the simple chip that drives the keyboard you're furiously typing on. Mother Russia's stock market is on the floor, imports have fallen off a cliff, foreign investment has fallen off the same cliff and into a hole at the bottom of it. Their selling thier oil with large discounts and it costs more for them to ship it. Their aerospace industry is on the floor, even your best pals China have closed their airspace to the Russian airbus/boeing fleet. Which BTW is an early sure sign where China's market loyalties actually lay and for good economic reasons. They've defaulted on their debt and can't access international financing, leasing insurance and shipping anyway, which are by far their bigger problems. If these are examples of Russia playing chess, may I respectfully suggest starting with checkers and working your way up?

Here in Ireland schools out for summer as the song goes and the "city" isn't big enough to commute far into. Maybe you're thinking of Moscow? I think your "siblings" have more on their plate.

dennis72 · 05-07-2022 11:04AM

Russia has what the world needs and was always going to weaponize it at some point while building up an invasion force on its neighbour border

No one saw it coming ok Trump said it

Bloomberg quoting sources saying Russia will switch off gas to Europe this winter

Wibbs · 05-07-2022 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292384#Comment_119292384

It's one of their few sticks to wave around and worry their "enemies". Though given - and as their Russian web brigades remind us - "we're paying them to wage war while fighting them!" I suspect it's a stick they're not too keen to wave too strongly or bring down any time soon. They might if they get desperate, but if they think their isolation is a big deal now, it would isolate them even more so and for far longer.

timmyntc · 05-07-2022 11:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292270#Comment_119292270

Likely see a ceasefire and deescalation of the conflict coming up to winter for the simple fact that Europe cannot live without Russian hydrocarbons, and as the shortages really start to bite, what support they were giving to Ukraine will diminish quite quickly, and be replaced by pressure to negotiate with Putin.

The current energy crisis has the potential to destabilise the entire EU - with certain eurozone countries seeing double digit inflation already there is huge pressure on ECB to increase rates, but with heavily indebted members like Italy and Greece and Spain (and ourselves) there will be considerable pushback and risk to rate rises also. Its a no-win scenario for the eurozone, and several leaders would do anything to go back to the 2019 situation of low inflation low/negative rates. Without cheap energy that cannot happen - so the question is will the eurozone sacrifice PIIGS (with rate rises) east and southern europe (inflation) or Ukraine (pushing for a peace deal which sees them lose territory).

If theres no military result by christmas, then I know what I'd put my money on

05-07-2022 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119291625#Comment_119291625

And how much of that product* I consumed came from Russia? Nada. You do realise Russia has far from a Monopoly on those products? The Western world is looking to move away from dealing with Psycho Putin... takes time, that's all. If you're living outside Russia, it might be time to think about defecting... 'Just popping out to buy, erm, a newspaper from these bourgeois capitalist scum!' PM if you need someone to arrange contacts.

*I'm grand for cereals thanks, gluten intolerant (as are a lot of people, I just realise it).

TheValeyard · 05-07-2022 11:33AM

HIMARS definitely seem to be having an impact. Excuse the pun. The ammo of ammo dumps hit recently gives this credibility. Fair bit of damage behind Kherson now and Russian resources stressed. While we've had a lot of bad news lately, Kherson could see a breakthrough within couple of weeks. But the Orcs may yet reinforce the south after they have secured recent gains.

declanflynn · 05-07-2022 11:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119291625#Comment_119291625

Aah leave it out, the Russians cant even make a washing machine

TheValeyard · 05-07-2022 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292530#Comment_119292530

Putin...

declanflynn · 05-07-2022 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292520#Comment_119292520

An awful lot of modern equipment on it's way to the Ukraine, the Russians on here are going to get a nasty suprise when this equipment and soldiers trained to use it arrive near the front, it takes a fair bit of time from announcing new equipment is being sent to when Russian bodies are being eaten by the crows

declanflynn · 05-07-2022 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292552#Comment_119292552

Once the west gets its spending even up to half that level the Russians will be obliterated.

We have to remember the US always despised the Russians as did almost every country in Europe so this is the perfect opportunity to give them a beating from which they will never recover from and the best bit is that Putin started it

It's like the school bully has just punched the kid that can beat him, now the bully gets beaten to a pulp and every kid in the school gives him a kick when he is down

Putin lost this war when he started it which is a bad position to start from

Furze99 · 05-07-2022 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292481#Comment_119292481

Which is why we may just as likely see escalation and more direct military help to Ukraine to drive Russian forces out and bring this to a quicker conclusion. Regime change in Russia is the real key to sorting this out, an off ramp to allow new leadership to rewrite current history and put all blame on Putin's regime - mea culpa etc and can we please go back to where we were 6 months ago.

timmyntc · 05-07-2022 12:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292835#Comment_119292835

Even Russia's much persecuted opposition figurehead Navalny, who was poisoned and imprisoned by the Kremlin, supports military action in Ukraine.

The idea that a rival faction in Russia can take down Putin and his support and then do a 180 and pull out of Ukraine is absurd. Not a hope that would happen. Sooner see the whole country collapse and balkanise

Azatadine · 05-07-2022 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292849#Comment_119292849

Where did you get that idea from.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/jailed-kremlin-foe-navalny-lambasts-putins-stupid-war-ukraine-2022-05-24/

wylo · 05-07-2022 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292849#Comment_119292849

What? Navalny is completely opposed to the war in Ukraine.

storker · 05-07-2022 12:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119291379#Comment_119291379

I believe there is/was(?) a thing called the "Lob-Toss" technique whereby aircraft would actually release bombs while climbing to give the weapon additional range - bombs don't fall straight down and can cover quite a bit of ground before hitting (or missing) depending on aircraft speed, attitude and altitude at the time of release. I think it was also a way of launching without overflying the target, and was even a way to use intervening high ground for protection. I'm pretty sure this was a non-precision technique though, although guided attacks might be possible if someone on the ground was "lasing" the target. I suspect the Russians are trying a crude version of this.

Over to those who know more than I do...

storker · 05-07-2022 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292219#Comment_119292219

The "home of Chess" has only produced two out of the eight world champions that there have been since 2000 (and one of the others was Ukrainian). The Russian hegemony over the chess world, like its superpower status, is more memory than fact.

And it shows in Putin's handling of this war. If we're insisting on applying a chess analogy then Putin is at worst a complete patzer, at best an ineffective wood-pusher.

A draw is actually worth 1/2 a point (a win is worth 1 point), and chess players of all nations know this. It was decided in Scotland back in the 19th century, not in Russia. This information is not given for the sake of pedantry, merely to indicate another area in which Russian greatness is more apparent than real.

declanflynn · 05-07-2022 01:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292849#Comment_119292849

Call in to DID electrical

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