Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

03-07-2022 10:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119286767#Comment_119286767

An opposing view point is not trolling

xxxxxxl · 03-07-2022 11:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287038#Comment_119287038

I think most of us can get a opposing view but an opposing reality not so much.

03-07-2022 11:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119286844#Comment_119286844

Not really.

Passport Office, issues until it hit the airwaves and then some money is spent.

DAA, while not completely fixed it took all the bad press to spend money on staff.

My own section is constantly skimping on staff but it hasn't hit Joe Duffy yet so just the staff suffers by and large.

We don't have a history of throwing money at issues, if we did we'd build more prisons etc.

We do have a history of pissing money away though.

04-07-2022 12:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119286871#Comment_119286871

Obviously not governments fault but there's going to be a rude awakening shortly and it seems to me government oblivious to what's going on in the economy beyond the big pharma and IT Multi nationals.

They're not innocent of the factors involved though. Rising rents, and rates are tied to government policy as much as the overall market.

I doubt they're oblivious because there has been some moves to encourage the creation of new businesses, but nowhere like it was during the Celtic Tiger. Their focus shifted. The multinationals are simply better press, and a more obvious way of generating relatively large numbers of employment in a localised area.

Dempo1 · 04-07-2022 05:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287168#Comment_119287168

Of course I left out an important word "Entirely". I was referring to no one could have predicted the damage the pandemic would do to certain sectors of the Economy. But of course, I agree entirely with your sentiments 😉

Drunken Oaf · 04-07-2022 06:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119286927#Comment_119286927

This.

Come hither Northern Republicans, and join us in our EU colony where our foreign minister has attended Bilderberg meetings and our Tanaiste is a member of the WEF Young Global Leaders.

I'd sooner have the Black and Tans back.

Irelandsnumberone · 04-07-2022 06:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287288#Comment_119287288

They are all planning and looking jobs in the EU as the majority including Varadkar won't be around next election

Luxembourgo · 04-07-2022 06:42AM

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Hell bent on increasing expenditure, I agree.

But cheered on relentlessly by the public, media and an opposition who calls them right wing out of touch and wants more spent.

04-07-2022 07:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287301#Comment_119287301

A huge problem with Ireland are the media options. Most people I know here still watch RTE (and the Irish newspapers) for anything related to Ireland. Sure, they'll watch SkyNews for international stuff, and browse online for headlines, but RTE remains the primary way to see anything about Ireland. And while major headlines are reported internationally, I've noticed that most of the time the reports are taken almost entirely from RTE.

The Irish population doesn't know and doesn't really care what's going on because they've been fed a steady diet of social programming. The manner in which RTE (and other media) elevates certain issues and ignores others is rather impressive. Impressive in that they manage to get away with it... cause it is social conditioning through censorship, with selected issues filtered through a particular lens. And as far as I can see, few Irish people are really that bothered by it. If they don't know what's going on, then, they're not responsible for what's going on. Easier to pass everything over to the government. Alas, our politicians don't take any responsibility either, and they're the ones deciding policy.

Ukraine is a perfect example of all this. I suspect few Irish people knew or care anything about Ukraine before the invasion. They certainly didn't consider it part of Europe.. but within a few weeks of media bombardment and the politicians talking, Ukraine was as important to us as our closest neighbours. More important, in fact, because they'd been elevated to sainthood, with their whole history whitewashed and exempted under the guise of being a victim. Relatively easy to get people to open their homes and bank accounts, or to support ever increasing State expenditure for the cause.

We talk alot about being free.. but the last few months has made me understand just how much our strings are pulled. Oh, individually we're free, somewhat, but beyond that? Meh. Certainly is interesting though.. although unlike Kaiser I don't think anything will change as people realise what's been going on. We've been conditioned too long to turn to our politicians for answers, and to simply shift to another party when things go bad..

zell12 · 04-07-2022 07:36AM

"those who have been housed there since May are being moved to other accommodation provided by the State"

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/ukrainian-refugees-in-nui-galway-accommodation-to-move-to-other-housing/https%3A//connachttribune.ie/ukrainian-refugees-in-nui-galway-accommodation-to-move-to-other-housing/

Dempo1 · 04-07-2022 07:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287399#Comment_119287399

I'd be curious to know where this "accommodation ' is being provided by the state , no mention of how many involved by the helpful statement from Galway NUI

riddles · 04-07-2022 07:53AM

Our political system is a defunct entity regarding solutions for any significant issue’s because it’s largely populist. What is the answer?

zell12 · 04-07-2022 08:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287412#Comment_119287412

The university mentioned 100 refugees previously. I assume they are being transferred out of Galway, as there is almost nowhere to go

https://twitter.com/nuigalway/status/1531237149886095361?s=20&t=DgaZgpdiQH-DdOyX3WkLEg

riddles · 04-07-2022 08:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119286871#Comment_119286871

A lot of business models are largely bankrupt and unable to fund a digital transformation. Most have accumulated such large debt that they are living on cash generated against an eroding share value. The bottom line is not the top line which is being realised at the minute. Q3 earnings will be a tipping point.

Boggles · 04-07-2022 08:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285277#Comment_119285277

when the effects of the upcoming recession starts to bite, and they're possibly living under renewed covid restrictions and limitations again with blanket scaremongering to justify it in the dark autumn months - THAT'S when the tide will turn.

You have been "predicting" this uprising and massive recession for literally years. But yet crickets.

So when is it happening exactly?

The conservative forecasts are for growth right through to 2024. In spite of Brexit, the pandemic and now war in Europe. Growth and record employment.

Boggles · 04-07-2022 08:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287389#Comment_119287389

What media outlets to you use?

Boggles · 04-07-2022 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287399#Comment_119287399

Can't be true, It was stated several times on here that the students would be shafted and told go elsewhere.

zell12 · 04-07-2022 08:22AM

Well students are being shafted and were told by NUIG to go elsewhere

Recently NUIG recommended that students consider looking for accommodation in places as far away as An Spidéal (18km), Tuam (33.5km) or Athenry (23.5km). https://www.newstalk.com/news/worst-student-housing-crisis-weve-ever-seen-nuig-suggests-students-move-to-tuam-or-spiddal-1356484

Boggles · 04-07-2022 08:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287556#Comment_119287556

Nothing to do with Ukrainian's taking student accommodation.

September 2021.

https://connachttribune.ie/thousands-on-waiting-list-for-student-accommodation-in-galway/

But I imagine it won't stop them getting the blame.

04-07-2022 08:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287605#Comment_119287605

All the more reason that students should be absolutely prioritised over Ukrainians for accommodation, come September. I don’t believe there should be a single Ukrainian in student accommodation anywhere in the country come September

road_high · 04-07-2022 08:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287301#Comment_119287301

Its what they waste it on that’s the problem- if it was on so something useful like infrastructure it would be great. Not more “bonuses” and rewards for the bone idle

Boggles · 04-07-2022 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287621#Comment_119287621

Did you not read the article? they have moved in July.

Maybe if the Red Cross admitted defeat they would be moved on even faster.

Marcos · 04-07-2022 01:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283420#Comment_119283420

Remember three years ago when Frank Grealish got accused of all sorts because he dared to ask about billions being transferred from Ireland abroad? He used World Bank figures and it turned out that €10 billion went out of this country via personal transfers. He asked what controls there were in place for money being sent out of the country, and if there was tax on it.

Oh, and isn't anyone on Social Welfare not allowed to have savings i.e. after a minimal amount they have to report them to the Social Welfare and their payments are stopped/cut for a period of time? Or does this only apply to Irish recipients? The idea being that social welfare is paid out to entitle you to live, feed and clothe yourself but not to give you savings.

04-07-2022 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287095#Comment_119287095

Reality is a matter of perspective.

As an example, from my perspective, Ukraine has seen 8 million of its population flee and another 8 million internally displaced. Out of all that we have taken in 40,000 but I think we should be doing more and bringing more here to safety.

Your perspective says everything that doesn't work the way you want in this country is the fault of foreigners (A&E waiting times, social welfare interviews etc).

Wibbs · 04-07-2022 02:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119289482#Comment_119289482

As an example, from my perspective, Ukraine has seen 8 million of its population flee and another 8 million internally displaced. Out of all that we have taken in 40,000 but I think we should be doing more and bringing more here to safety.

And as usual you have zero idea how to organise and pay for this beyond some magic money tree. Your only offered solution is "It'll be grand". The three billlion earmarked so far towards giving Ukrainians the largest payouts of any nation on this planet would go a helluva way towards supporting Irish people in fuel poverty this coming winter. But, you it seems they don't figure in your charity? Maybe not exotic enough or diverse enough for you to care.

Your perspective says everything that doesn't work the way you want in this country is the fault of foreigners (A&E waiting times, social welfare interviews etc).

Yeah, no. You don't get to play that BS deflective and misrepresentative angle again. The faults in the system here are of almost entirely local screwups and mismanagement. Pretty much nada to do with "foreigners". However, and other than nebulous positives they can barely defend this logic gap is consistent with the "diversity" brigade; If you have existing serious faults in a system, you don't throw in more pressure on those systems. If your bathtub is near overflowing you don't open the tap.

Marcos · 04-07-2022 03:13PM

If you have existing serious faults in a system, you don't throw in more pressure on those systems. If your bathtub is near overflowing you don't open the tap.

Well you and other normal people don't, but certain others posting on here, I'm not so sure.

04-07-2022 03:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119289556#Comment_119289556

And as usual you have zero idea how to organise and pay for this...

I never claimed to. Are you looking for a poster on boards.ie to develop the plan for this monumental task? I think you need to reassess if so.

You don't get to play that BS deflective and misrepresentative angle again.

Those examples I gave are issues that poster directly attributed to "foreigners" in other posts

Pretty much nada to do with "foreigners".

I agree

Wibbs · 04-07-2022 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119289662#Comment_119289662

I never claimed to.

Of course you don't, because all you want is the feelgoods, the realities of paying for it are the problem.

04-07-2022 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119289716#Comment_119289716

feelgoods, interesting

jmreire · 04-07-2022 04:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287957#Comment_119287957

Maybe if the Red Cross were given the funding to employ 50-100 extra staff, it would have been solved by now.....but no, the Govt does not work like that...dump the problem of vetting and sorting out accommodation for 40000 -100'000 + Ukrainians ...and do it now!!! Govt gets the kudo's ( if it works) and the Red Cross gets the blame if it does not..and as can be seen from the above post, its already happening. Don't blame the Red Cross for problems which are basically insolvable , at least in the short term, with the current resources available to the Irish Red Cross.

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