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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭thereitisgone


    One of the best economies in Europe, and also doesn't need to spend anything on defence because it relies on Uk defending it

    Thats sad but the truth

    Most countries spend 2 to 3 percent of there GDP on defenses Ireland doesn't have that burden because it relies on others to defend it

    So a little compassion and spending for Ukrainian refugees would be kinda good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,731 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    We're ALREADY spending and showing a little (actually a LOT of) compassion for Ukrainian refugees - as the 30k here being fed, housed, and paid by the Irish taxpayer evidences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,485 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Really ?

    we have 8,751 active service personnel.

    We spend circa or certainly budget circa 800 million a year on defence.

    major investment is underway in upgrading the Aer Corps and Navy as well as infrastructure for the Army.

    that’s the truth, the reality.

    weve shown a hell of a lot of compassion for them , we’ve spent a hell of a lot of money too on them… to our own detriment.

    so enough…. Let’s get on re prioritising our wellbeing.




     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed we may have one of the best economies in Europe but there's this little matter as of end of may 2022. IRELANDS NATIONAL DEBT

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    Now I'm no economics expert but it would seem to me that even before the Irish government started shaking this mysterious magic virtue signalling money tree, we were in serious trouble. Now we've got inflation (albeit government actually making more in tax and excise receipts) and cost of Borrowing increasing, the Irish government in no position to be virtue signalling on the world stage when there's numerous crisis at home that require urgent and immediate attention.

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    We have the money to fix our health care. We're not cheap on funding the hse. Spent in the wrong places.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Grim reading dempo, they're will be no Kumbaya for paddy Irish man this coming winter, ofc it will be alright for the small number of posters on this thread who are all for screwing over the country living in their parents basement's with their BS virtue signaling, they'll be okay, so I guess that's all that matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I can't rem the figure that got us to have a bail out was it less that the current debt ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Of course there are those who think, a sure €239 billion in national Debt is only 58% of our GDP and sure its grand, our economy is utterly dependent on a relatively small number of companies. The pandemic has exposed how fragile Irelands economy is, Retail and Hospitality sectors continue to struggle and enormous debt warehoused.

    I'm not suggesting collapse but prudence and yet the astonishing recklessness continues and its beggar's belief. We've government continously telling us there's no Magic Money Tree and yet, look at what's going on, it's extraordinary.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    If your referring to the Bank Bail out that was around €67 Billion and we're still paying for it, as for the ent cost of the financial crash I'd say it incaluable, I don't know what it was.

    To be fair, Covid costs have to be factored in to thr current National Debt but by any measure the numbers are staggering.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Germany’s national debt is more like €3 trillion but I do agree Ireland’s is totally out of control. We are in deep trouble if/when interest rates rise and tax take falls. Absolutely nothing was learned about prudence with the public finances since 2008. It’s like our state is in self destruct mode



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Apologies your correct, I was trying to look for a quick breakdown for comparison and quoted from this

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    But on more detailed search I see the actual figure close to €2.9 trillion bit obv a much larger economy 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭eggy81


    You should open your door to a family or two really if you haven’t already.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Absolutely. Any family with a 17-20 year old in Ukraine would be stupid to not land here before September and walk into a course in an IT, no bills and plenty of pocket money.

    Similar to myself. I also assumed at the start that the 100k figure was ridiculous because they'd be dispersed across the EU somewhat pro-rata but with more staying in the east. But we went and made it so they'd have to be stupid not to come.

    I've said similar before but I've reached the stage that I feel absolutely no connection or duty to this country. The ruling class clearly have zero interest in protecting the interests of the citizens of the state. Government departments are mostly run for (often foreign) corporate interests while a few are run as hobbies for the weirdoes to push their creepy ideologies and no-one will call it out. I've a trip away planned later this year and I've started looking for private facilities to get some medical stuff done because here I have to wait years for the privilege of giving someone money.

    Someone will be along soon to claim only like 150 buildings were damaged or destroyed in the North in that time. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Indeed. Governments allover Europe are addicted to big spending, big welfare and big government. Ours is one of the worst relative to the population size.

    If it was being spent on something useful like building up the infrastructure of the country to generate future wealth I’d say something but it’s being whittled away on fluff and stuff that enriches government cronies and insiders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    Three trillion to Germany, 250 billion ourselves, how in the jaysis did a state of affairs ever come about where the likes of the IMF acquired more money than sovereign states full of taxpayers, then loaned money out to them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I'm not hugely into Irish government runnings in certain aspects. What is the per capita of TD's vs our counterparts ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I just don't were it will end, don't forget Public projects going way over budget, the Mica crisis cost will start to hit home shortly and if a recession hits (some think its already started) we are in for a roller-coaster ride.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One of the best economies in Europe

    On paper. In reality, there are heaps of weaknesses, and on top of that, the governments of the last few decades have been hellbent on increasing expenditure, all the while shouting out, about how good our economy is. And yet, we are over-reliant on foreign companies, our domestic small/medium sized sector shrunk a huge amount during the pre/during covid, and... yadda yadda yadda.

    I could go on, but there's little point. Some people refuse to recognise the problems that are occuring here.

    , and also doesn't need to spend anything on defence because it relies on Uk defending it

    And France. Between the two we're in a great position. And? Your point is what?

    So a little compassion and spending for Ukrainian refugees would be kinda good

    So, allocating 3bn to supporting Ukrainians isn't enough, or the expenditure to date? Or the funding provided by Irish people to aid agencies? All swept aside as you request "a little" compassion and spending.

    Wow.

    Would anything ever be enough for you? I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I think the government has gotten way softer in the last few years. I remember I worked on contract in the public service last recession (wasn’t long out of college) and they seemed to be way more clinical when it came to saving money. We were all let go. That’s the way it was. I couldn’t imagine them getting away with it now. Now it seems to be a case of any problem we’ll throw money at it. Surely as you say the end of the line must be coming soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Infrastructure as ever is a perennial Achilles heel be it transport, medical, housing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    The hysteria of the covid lockdowns was 100% government created and led. Lead to so much of the problems you outline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    This is what it was like in 2005 - 2008. No concept of what money means. Loose spending - every political issue can be solved by opening the cheque book and FG/FF are not getting any bites for it and trying to outcompete SG.

    The knives will be out on spending by necessity in the next year or so. It will be nasty and ruthless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    On top of all this the current mining of fools gold of filling hotels with Ukranian refugees for short term gain is lunacy for the tourism industry in the long term, the one hotel in my local good sized county town no longer does breakfasts save for croissants and the like, I wonder if something is afoot with it having recently changed hands. I often think I reside in a cod of a country undeserving of independence.. I hear them on the news talking about border polls, its like a parallel universe, sure we can't even govern what we have properly.. A united Ireland, for what?? So we can put on a ginger wig and dress up as a leprechaun and Lep around like eegits on March 17 every year and pretend we have a country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    O yes there's that of course and no disputing that, it's not a defence but there was extraordinary financial supports to "Certain" sectors and of course wage subsidy schemes etc but the damage was done and frankly I've known for a long time, seriously unviable businesses were propped up foolishly.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just another thing to point to when people try to defend the poor hospitality industry. They're raking it in and when this blows over they'll be begging the government for a break since they need to build things back up after possibly half a decade of no guests, mostly through their own doing. Failte Ireland will be thrown €20-50 million at some point to get the Marks flowing in again.

    That's my main point of confusion, where does this end? Like aside from a borderline dystopian system I just can't see how else it ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Just in relation to the Hospitality sector rolling it in, only one sector gaining from this crisis (Hotels), perhaps a few Guesthouses but ironically whilst they have short term gain, the local economies around or near them being destroyed.

    We're it will end I honestly don't know but at a minimum I can see hundreds of restaurant and bar closures, serious financial trouble for suppliers and related industries, definitely a return to vacant, closed hotels around the country and a dramatic increase in insolvency cases clogging up the courts.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Couldn't agree more. As for no breakfast service, I suspect amongst other reasons they are struggling to get Chefs, I'm available for a substantial fee if you want to pass on my details 😁 although slapping up a decent breakfast not overly challenging, so to speak 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Anyone curious of these new build hotels that when completed lay dormant and all of the sudden the state buys them and uses them for another reason. Me thinks it's to get around planning laws so residents don't object. I mean you live in the back *ss of nowhere they put planning for a hotel you would not object.



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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    True to an extent but in certain areas hotel's restaurants and bars are popular, if they're out of action that's more local business for others. Having seen some price rises in certain places (but not others 2 minutes walk away) there is plenty of profiteering happening too.



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