Russia - threadbanned users in OP

04-07-2022 07:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287235#Comment_119287235

Just reporting what military experts on the radio are saying.

weapons are made on a just in time basis, and are struggling with supply chains like everyone else

ZenNature · 04-07-2022 08:49AM

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There are 2 ways to discuss Russia technology, you can say its a one narrative story, its all going downhill. Or you can look at the FACTS and admit that yeah they are having issues, but on the other hand they have some things in their favour.

For instance CNBC and the IEA (International Energy Agency) reports that Russia is one of 2 nations that dominates the Nuclear reactor industry , as I earlier mentioned Russia is the only nation with the first floating sea going operational Nuclear reactor (this is partly with Artic territory expansion in mind) . The IEA stated that Nuclear is a key part of its plan for a a carbon neutral 2050 . Thats hte IEA folks, the global Energy Agency and they want Nuclear as part of the future and they (not me) state Russia is dominating the space.

Nuclear accounts for 10% of global Energy and Russia is leading the way , and some people think they are doomed cos ATMs are on the blink and chips are hard to come by, think about that.

So yep they are having issues with ATMs, and have issues sourcing Western technology. Is Russia suffering a brain drain, sure, do they have a pipeline of smart technical people most certainly, will they figure out how to replace the access to western technology , probably. Just as Im sure China will be more than happy to fill whatever gap was left by Russia losing access to the West.

Next time someone tells you Russia is going to suffer a technological collapse , take a look up at the night sky and try to find the bright moving dot that is the ISS (International Space Station) and remember that the West and NASA spent 20 years paying Russia to give them a lift to the space station.

Russian and Chinese designs dominate nuclear reactors, warns IEA chief

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/01/russian-and-chinese-designs-in-87percent-of-new-nuclear-reactors-iea-chief.html

ZenNature · 04-07-2022 09:07AM

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" War is not just a tactical and strategic affair, in the end it boils down to an economic and political one. No matter how Russia does tactically and strategically, even if they take the whole of Ukraine(they won't), they've already lost the economic and political war and badly*. "

is this a Chemical Ali moment ... lost the economic war badly !

We, EU, our leaders are going to send Russia 500 million by end of day, around 3.5 Billion by end of week, over 10 billion by the end of the month.

You even admitted yourself we /EU/Germany are paying Russia to bomb Ukraine and then you claim Russia is losing the economic war .. yikes.

Western economic media agencies report Russia has already hit their budget projections for 2022 energy revenue.

Western economic media agencies report Russia has overtaken Saudi Arabia as Chinas main source of Oil.

The UK reports 5 million people are in fuel poverty.

Germany reports 20 million are at risk of of fuel poverty.

The inflation thread on Boards is one of the most active in recent weeks ... and some people on boards want you to think Russia has lost the economic war.

I guess your implying that if Russia is losing then we are winning, or maybe your not. Does anyone (bar Warren Buffett, energy traders and energy stock holders) in the West feel like they are winning the economic war.

All our leaders are promising is that long term we will win . Do you really believe what they say, do the facts really indicate we will be able to crush Russia economy as Russia pivots to the East and is welcomed with open arms, as the West shts itself as the upcoming winter will cause all sorts of agreements to go out the window when the real impact comes in , and all those meaningless sanctions most of which were kicked down the road just get kicked further down the road.

Is the ruble strong for all the wrong reasons, no, is it strong for all the right reasons no, theres no absolutes, but its strength is due to some positive economic reasons and some negative economic reasons.

I wish I was losing my economic battles and someone was sending me 500 million a day .

zv2 · 04-07-2022 09:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119286847#Comment_119286847

One factor that needs to be considered is how Donbas was seeded with native Russians after WW2, just like Ulster was seeded with British protestants. It is not really Russia's territory.

timmyntc · 04-07-2022 09:12AM

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Recent reports of US running low on stingers and other munitions, and due to component shortages the manufacturers announced they need to do a redesign of sorts before they can reproduce more

ZenNature · 04-07-2022 09:16AM

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Circa 1200-1350 when Genghis Kahn and the subsequent Mongol Empire - The Khanate of the Golden Horde marched to and established its reign as far as the Danube, it was only by Russia/Slav/ puishback and Eastward Russian re taking of territory that the spread of Islam and the Mongol empire was put to an end. And Russia remained a bulwark against Islam expansion ever since as they promoted Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

So I guess if you ignore Russia saving us from Islam in the 13th century thru to all its contributions to the arts, music, science, technology, literature, film, medicine, and the deaths of 27 million Russian during WW2 , one could ask have they ever been the "good guys" .

Wibbs · 04-07-2022 09:26AM

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Oh great "FACTS" man/woman is back.

Russia are not "leading the way", they're simply building more nuclear reactors. There's a difference. You can be sure the IT systems and infrastructure to operate them aren't transisters and valves and where do they get that stuff from? And I hate to break it to you all nuclear powered ships are "floating sea going operational nuclear reactors". The dozen US aircraft carriers for example, or nuclear powered submarines(which are more controlled sinking than floating to be fair).

So yep they are having issues with ATMs, and have issues sourcing Western technology. Is Russia suffering a brain drain, sure, do they have a pipeline of smart technical people most certainly, will they figure out how to replace the access to western technology , probably. Just as Im sure China will be more than happy to fill whatever gap was left by Russia losing access to the West.

China will do nada but the bare minimum. You don't get this; they can't afford to do anything else. Russia is a tiny market for their economy, great for now cheaper oil and that's about it. If they tried to "fill whatever gap"(which is huge BTW) with tech, the vast majority of it western licenced tech, the same West would not be happy and China are not stupid.

Next time someone tells you Russia is going to suffer a technological collapse , take a look up at the night sky and try to find the bright moving dot that is the ISS (International Space Station) and remember that the West and NASA spent 20 years paying Russia to give them a lift to the space station.

Yep the Soyuz launch system is a truly fantastic piece of kit. Problem for your argument is it first flew fifty five years ago. It's good old fashioned command economy Soviet tech, when they were leaders in space(their RD-170 rocket engine another fantastic bit of kit), incrementally updated in Soviet times and after the fall of said Soviet Union bankrolled by America and "the West", because America dropped the ball there in a big way. Now you have SpaceX who took that ball up again and Russia has nothing within an asses roar of what they're doing and capable of. China as usual copied and tweaked existing Russian launch kit and brought little to the party yet. Oh and the Soyuz is no longer being bankrolled by the West and her replacement system Orel heavliy subsidised and reliant on Western money and Western tech is now stalled.

Wibbs · 04-07-2022 09:42AM

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More bullet points from the Mother Russia is winning handbook. I know a few Russians and I have heard the exact same stuff from them because that's what they're hearing from Mother Russia's Ministry of Information. To be fair you're far less obviously daft than most who pass this stuff on, you haven't touched on the conspracy theories stuff, or touched on the Decadent West(oh wait, you did), but you still don't have much to go on and keep repeating the same points, while ignoring the wider truths out there.

Russia and Saudi Arabia have bounced back and forth over the last twenty years as "China's main source of oil". The difference this time is they're buying it at massive discounts.

The "look, your leaders are betraying you" stuff is also from the above handbook. As is "China will pivot to Russia". No, they won't. You're not getting this basic fact. Sorry FACT! They. Can't. Afford. To. Almost their entire economy is based on Western tech and Western markets. Their biggest single market is America, with the EU following on behind. A recession in Russia won't hit them save for getting even cheaper oil from them, a recession in the West would cause a massive contraction in the Chinese economy and they well know it.

ZenNature · 04-07-2022 09:46AM

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" And I hate to break it to you all nuclear powered ships are "floating sea going operational nuclear reactors". The dozen US aircraft carriers for example, or nuclear powered submarines(which are more controlled sinking than floating to be fair). "

Clearly I meant operational nuclear power stations.

THE IEA seems to think Russia is leading the way , and as they said themselves RUSSIA IS DOMINATING THE SPACE.

" China will do nada but the bare minimum. "

China is on track to spend 200 million a day on Rusisan Oil .

So you say Rusisa is losing the economic war as the EU sends 500 million a day to Russia.

And you say China will do the minimum, and yet they have increased imports by 50% and are spending 200 million a day on Rusisan oil.

Are you sure you want to use that tag line signature on your name .

https://www.power-technology.com/news/russia-floating-nuclear-power-plant/#:~:text=Akademic%20Lomonosov%2C%20the%20world's%20first,power%20plant%20includes%20coastal%20infrastructure.

Wibbs · 04-07-2022 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287531#Comment_119287531

Eh not quite, though again something believed in Russian narratives. The battles of Vienna(Holy Roman empire and the Poles) and Lepanto(the Catholic league of Spain and Italy) had far more impact on Islam's spread into Europe, never mind Castillian Spain pushing Islam out of the Iberian peninsula.

Furze99 · 04-07-2022 10:02AM

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You've clearly been watching too much RT.

Wibbs · 04-07-2022 10:05AM

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Clearly I meant operational nuclear power stations.

You speak of things you seem to not understand. You know how to turn a nuclear reactor on a ship into an "operational power station"? You attach a wire to it and plug it into the grid. It's already an "operational power station". That's literally what it is and does. Where do you think the lightbulbs and cookers and radios and computers on a nuclear sub get power? Magic?

THE IEA seems to think Russia is leading the way , and as they said themselves RUSSIA IS DOMINATING THE SPACE.

Yer Mother Russia can't produce the chip that controls the capslock function you're so fond of using...

China is on track to spend 200 million a day on Rusisan Oil .

Cheap Russian oil. Of course they are.

And you say China will do the minimum, and yet they have increased imports by 50% and are spending 200 million a day on Rusisan oil.

Imports that were already small and now are cheaper so just like their oil so of course they'll buy more. The problem you're avoiding is on the export side. Do tell; where are the bulk of China's exports going? You know, the stuff that actually drives their economy. The stuff they can't afford to lose. I'll give you a hint, it's not Russia.

nigeldaniel · 04-07-2022 10:05AM

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The IEA will say that because they want more funding themselves. [a boogeyman is handy]

China is communist through and through, with the oddity of money. they love money and will take money whenever its on offer. So Europe and the US will always be a priority to them. They certainly don't want to see 1,000,000 million of their citizens out of work any day soon.

China would drop Russia like a hot spud if someone else had cheap oil for sale.

The EU is sending less and less money to Russia, by the end of this year it could be less than 10

China again... sorry to hit a cold spot but they care naddy for Russia. All they want are patsies in their pocket like N Korea.

EltonJohn69 · 04-07-2022 10:39AM

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Genghis Kahn vs the Russians … I will look into that…. Genghis was a bad dude

Danzy · 04-07-2022 10:42AM

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Nuclear power had its heyday from the 50s to 70s.

It's an old tech.

In most of Russia people are too poor to have many electric appliances.

Shortage of chips is much more serious for them than being the leader in an old tech.

Russia in fairness to them always had fantastic scientists, stymied by the degradation, control and inhumanity of their Marxist system.

firemansam4 · 04-07-2022 10:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287074#Comment_119287074

And how do you suggest this is achieved? Direct Nato involvement?

I did state that any agreement will need to come with some sort of security guarantees, because it is pretty obvious that Russia can no longer be trusted.

zv2 · 04-07-2022 11:05AM

This war will be decided by NATO. Whoever has the most ammo. and best weapons wins. It is as simple as that. If they can produce a vaccine in record time they can produce the ammo. They need to wake up and act and finish this war promptly.

is_that_so · 04-07-2022 11:11AM

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It wasn't really seeded. Ukraine was a SSR of many opportunities and you'll meet quite a few Ukrainians who are Russian speakers that view it at home and have no interest in Moscow. The east was always more Russian anyway and the further west you go the less that influence becomes.

declanflynn · 04-07-2022 11:13AM

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So why haven't Russia defeated Ukraine by now ?

At the current speed of the 'mighty' Russian army is going it will take them until 2094 to take all of Ukraine

I think the Russian army and economy are not as strong as u think comrade

zv2 · 04-07-2022 11:19AM

The target, whatever it is, goes off at 0:31

https://twitter.com/UkraineNewsLive/status/1543898474143440896?s=20&t=iTjaOttyAxfTv_WI3BYwVw

04-07-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119288004#Comment_119288004

It’s not as easy as that. NYT being very pessimistic this morning, reporting that Russia’s forces now able to focus on Donetsk. Ukraine still significantly outgunned and Russia can concentrate its forces in a way that it hasn’t really been able to do so far

From NYT banner story: “Western military analysts had expressed little doubt that Moscow would eventually prevail in the twin cities, but with their loss undeniable, pressure redoubled on the United States and its allies to get the more powerful weapons they have promised Ukraine to the front. For nations in the West, however, the next phase of the war will prove a test not just of military logistics but of solidarity. As the conflict drags on, their own citizens are feeling the economic pain, and unity among the allies may be difficult to sustain.”

The next phase will be the make or break phase of this war. NATO really needs to pick up the pace of supplies or Putin will steamroller Donetsk. But as said before, there are apparently really challenging supply and component issues right now in weapons manufacture, and US is unlikely to want to commit such that’s it’s own resources are depleted to an uncomfortable level

nigeldaniel · 04-07-2022 11:40AM

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/markets/entire-industries-in-germany-could-collapse-due-to-russian-natural-gas-supply-cuts-union-head/ar-AAZat74?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=670fb8bbdd364bfec1537d237027fc7f

well now, if German had an LNG plant they would have a backup but alas they put all their eggs in the Russian basket. Now that Germany has seen the error of judgement they are planning to build one. The maintenance the Russian are talking about for mid-July sound like cobblers to me. Once that gas pipeline is off Europe will find a way to deal with things.

zv2 · 04-07-2022 11:40AM

The Big Bang Theory is being implemented in Ukraine-

https://twitter.com/ShivKum60592848/status/1543897803508035584?s=20&t=iTjaOttyAxfTv_WI3BYwVw

Dyr · 04-07-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119288078#Comment_119288078

The West, and in particular Americas, is the one thing they will not commit to Ukraine, massive air superiority. The reason they cant supply Ukraine with huge amounts of artillery is because they don't have it, Their doctrine was that air power delivers those big bangs. As long as Ukraine are fighting a war that plays to Russia doctrine they are going to have a tough time.

I note the Slovakia are sneding 12 Mig-29s to Ukraine now

Bass Reeves · 04-07-2022 11:50AM

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You are mixing up Genghis khan with Tamerlane the Great. GK and the Mongal Horde was the late 1100's into the early 1200's. It was his death in 1227 that stopped the Mongal's in there tracts. The Horde was divided and did not unify again until the leadership of Kublai Khan who was more interested in conquering China.

Tammerlane was a Turko/Mongal leader from Uzbekistan who conquered Afghanistan, Iran Iraq and parts of the Ottoman empire. Again it was his death that prevented the continual invasion of Europe.

The ottomans themselves were defeated at Vienna and Lepanto.

nigeldaniel · 04-07-2022 12:09PM

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-lysychansk-donetsk-putin-12541713?postid=4116343#liveblog-body

https://news.sky.com/story/russian-scientist-dies-after-being-arrested-on-his-deathbed-and-flown-to-moscow-12645445

More problematic news from the Ukraine. I don't know myself what the Armed Forces of the Ukraine can do in the est right now. I still think they can turn it around over the next 3 months. Once the winter sets in Russia will not be able to do much and the real guts and brawn operation of driving out Russia can begin. Air support and long-range systems are essential for that big push.

Grayson · 04-07-2022 12:31PM

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I think even then they could best be described as the less bad guys. Some estimates say that up to 20 million died under Stalin. So it's not like the soviets were the good guys.

04-07-2022 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119287433#Comment_119287433

The disconnect here is huge, but good insight into Russian thinking though.

Do you really think the Climate crises is going to take precedence over a Russian invasion where they are targeting civilians, raping and pillaging, with ambitions to go further. Sorry, Greta... it aint. Russian is a pariah for the West - who are they going to sell nuclear plants to? Eritrea ?

timmyntc · 04-07-2022 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119288299#Comment_119288299

If wet ground and the cold were supposedly impediments to the Russian invasion, would it not work the same way against the Ukrainians looking to advance & recapture their territories?

Winter would mean offensive actions are more difficult for both sides, the idea that the seasons change and the Ukrainians suddenly switch into 5th gear seems more like blind optimism than based in reality

Grayson · 04-07-2022 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119288443#Comment_119288443

There's loads of western countries that build nuclear reactors. They're all across europe. It's not like it's hidden technology.

There's american companies developing modular reactors. Small ones that can be dotted around a city. And the Chinese are working on thorium reactors.

The Russians don't have any new technology. The majority of their existing reactors were built during soviet times and a lot are of a similar model to the one that blew up at Chernobyl.

BTW, that article says that

There were 439 nuclear reactors in operation around the globe in 2021, and 38 of them were in Russia, an additional 42 were made with Russian nuclear reactor technology, and 15 more under construction at the end of 2021 were being built with Russian technology.

That's not a huge amount. It also states that there's other places that build reactors, France, USA, Korea, China etc...

And even if you have a russian made reactor, you can get maintenance from other places.

The only bottleneck in that article is uranium enrichment.

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