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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Try and contain your giddiness. Russia, attacking the poorest (albeit recently well backed weapons/intelligence wise) country in Europe has been pinned back for over 4 months. We grew up thinking the USSR could sweep NATO aside and be in London in weeks. Fuk sake, Russia cannot even re-establish its former USSR borders going full tilt with its standing army. Are you simply not embarrassed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    At Donetsk direction Russian army attempting to block Lysychansk and seize Lysychansk-Bakhmut highway. Russian artillery shelled Lysychansk, Verkhniokamianka and Siversk. Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Vovchoyarivka. Assaults continue at Verkhniokamianka and Lysychansk refinery, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A lot of Russians in Israel have an extremely tenuous Jewish family background. Various Jewish activist agencies just want to stack the country with anyone who has so much attended a neighbour's bat mitzvah to ensure a Jewish majority.

    These immigrants are generally very right wing, a lot of them exist in a parallel society where they don't bother learning Hebrew and speak only Russian.

    Israel will pay the price for this eventually (as they are doing so already with their politics lurching to the hard right).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,422 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Why would I be embarrassed for a country I have no relations with or affinity to?

    Ukrainian military is definitely antiquated, 90% of their gear having been ex-soviet, but it also had pre-war/has the largest standing army in Europe. With all the NATO training and arms you would have hoped they would be able to repel the Russians, certainly with all the heavy weapons supplied and more promised you would think theyd make some serious inroads. However other than small gains around Kherson they have achieved very little in the past few months since Russians shifted from Kiev toward Donbas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Seriously?!


    They have went from bring seriously rolled on, to inflicting massive casualties and serious damage to the supposed second strongest army in the world, in a period of 8 years.

    Name another nation who has undergone such a transformative change in such a short space of time.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I think Ukrainians care more about people - their soldiers as well as civilians in the occupied areas - as well as about infrastructure. The more ruthless one is the bigger advances one can make.

    They can wait a month or two for weapons, which will make safer for them to progress.



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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "...you would have hoped they would be able to repel the Russians,"

    Seriously, what drugs are you on... Normally, I'd be carded for such a comment, but anybody is welcome to report this post, because it's quite plausibly true.

    WHO said on the 24th of February that Ukraine was expected to repel the Russians? WHO... nobody did. The consensus was that they'd collapse. Since then they have had some support, but as you said they had an antiquated army which has been modestly supplemented by some Modern weapons, but there has been 'time to train' delays... don't get me wrong, they WILL Repel the invaders... but to have done so by now would have been miraculous. SMH.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Depends on what you mean by repel - could things be worse - yes - could they be better, also yes.

    Just because you aren't losing as badly as expected doesn't mean you still aren't losing - from that POV yes Ukraine have failed to fully repel the Russians. Otherwise the swathes of red on these maps would be blue instead.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,648 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Of course you watch RT on rumble it's not like you have much choice apart from NTV Gazprom or Publi TV of Russia. BTW have you started to aquire a taste for those McHorsemeat burgers that are now selling in Moscow?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    They've actually been supplied with few enough heavy weapons, hence their daily desperate calls for more. Promised is of bugger all use until they actually arrive, so that's not even in play. The Russians have a large advantage there, especially in artillery. Their airforce was dwarfed by Russia before this all started and is even more dwarfed now. Same for tanks and other heavy fighting vehicles. They've no navy to speak of at all. Bugger all cruise missiles either.

    A better question might be; how could an apparently overwhelming force like Russia totally screw up taking Kyiv having to turn and run and before most of the western weapons were in play? And how come an apparently overwhelming force like Russia now having somewhat copped on and focusing their forces are making such slow progress?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Er, Repel was your word. It seems a clear enough word to me.

    Again, nobody not peering at the world through very slanted glasses would be anything but impressed to amazed with how well Ukraine has stood up to the mighty* Russian army. You can pedal your narrative for as long as you like, nobody will seriously consider it worthy of debate (nor yourself I suspect, but, you know... needs must).

    And call what Russia has achieved what you like... my money isn't on Putin replacing the EU flag in the Ukrainian parliament... EVER. Sucks, doesn't it.


    *It was considered such by some at least up until the 24th of February, 2022 ... (revision ongoing)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I mean the fact that Russia still holds large amounts of territory in east and south implies that they have not been repelled - if they were then they wouldnt be in the country. At this point its semantics on what you consider repelling vs what I do.

    And call what Russia has achieved what you like... my money isn't on Putin replacing the EU flag in the Ukrainian parliament... EVER. Sucks, doesn't it.

    ..What? Where did I ever say anything about this? You're just being needlessly bitter here - do you think I am one of those putinbots under the bed you see everywhere or what? I have no affinity for Russia in any sense, so why would it suck that they wont take the Verkohvna Rada? I would think its quite a good thing, do you not agree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Sanctions make life difficult for Russia, but unfortunately they won't make it impossible for Russia to carry on this war. As long as Russia continues to receive a billion a day from energy revenue, I am sure they will be able to get a lot of what they need on the black market. There will always be people out there willing to flout sanctions if they can turn a buck. China and India hoovering up Russian oil on the cheap is only what we can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Theyve gotten a fair amount of howitzers from Italy, France and US, theyve all been in use to some effect certainly.

    Russian army suffers from the same corruption as Ukrainian, only advantage Russia has is that they have had the funds to buy newer weapons and planes and crucially, missiles. But in terms of the troops and organisation of their armed forces, there is serious corruption and rot. Same as rest of society over there. At least Ukrainians have had NATO training, Russians have only had joint trainings with the Chinese and their "made in China" armies.

    They were never going to take Kiev by force - they likely thought if they surrounded it the Ukrainian government would surrender, but they got bogged down and failed. Encirclement is really their only tool, as they alternative is totally flatten cities and shoot on sight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    No, again.

    Russia’s advantage is due to its massive superiority in numbers of available weaponry and ammunition. Also the fact that the top brass cares not for its people, and is ready and willing to throw any available body into the grinder to get what they want. Ukraine have done a remarkable job fending them off. Most of us here can remember the early days watching this war, watching the street cams in Kiev listening to the gunfire as the world waited for the “inevitable”. But that never happened. It never happened because Ukrainians put their lives on the line to defend their land, never took a step back when the talking heads over this part of the world blathered about humiliating Putin and whether they should send helmets or weapons as a form of help.

    Jesus fuckin wept.

    Ukraine deserves the help of the west, they deserve a hell of a lot more than they are getting, because when others ran, they stood and fought.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    Presumably, like Snake Island, another gesture of Russia's "good will" towards Ukraine.

    Every day a new atrocity, already the shopping centre attack is vanishing from media attention. So sad and enraging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Where are these newer weapons, planes and missiles they have managed to buy recently? Are you referring to the equipment they're taking back off Belarus? Or equipment they're buying from China? I haven't seen evidence of the latter but they've certainly been enabling transactions to take place recently. I'm sure satellites are watching though and any large hardware purchases from the Chinese would be picked up.


    China, Russia Open Cross-Border Bridge Amid Sanctions, Criticism (voanews.com)

    The timing of its opening is significant. Russia and China have come under severe criticism at the summit, and analysts say the bridge is a signal China can help Russia navigate economic sanctions.


    The opening comes just one month after a railway bridge linking the two countries was inaugurated. The road bridge in northern China, called the Blagoveshchensk-Heihe Bridge, will carry vehicles across the Amur River. The toll bridge can accommodate 630 freight trucks, 164 buses and 68 other vehicles daily, the Moscow Times reported.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Dont worry comrade, by the end of this month when the Ukrainian's are fully trained on the weapons that are being delivered at the moment they will push the Russian thugs back to the **** hole they came from.

    Just have patience for a couple of weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,683 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interesting story from Russian newspaper Kommersant that new banknotes cannot be introduced into circulation as they cannot update their ATMs and cash registers (because of the sanctions). Speculation is that this could take years.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭Cordell


    They forgot to add the washing machine and maybe a tractor pulling a tank somewhere in that field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,683 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This is the type of thing that could really start to bite in coming months. What happens when ATMs and cash registers start to break down.....will they even be able to repair them? The idea that Russia can turn itself into North Korea and get rid of imports and exports is clearly a fallacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would hate to see another Crimean war scenario of western countries actually invading Russian held territory but i think Nato has to escalate the situation regarding getting the grain out and not allowing Russia to steal it and give it to their allies. If the current situation continues im sure we will alot more immigration from Africa and other places facing food shortages to Europe weakening the European Alliance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭electric_sleep


    Wow, now you’re parroting far right “fake Jews” conspiracy theories. The mask has slipped. It’s pretty consistent with your far right leaning that’s on display throughout this thread. (Calling for collective punishment based on race, repeatedly and graphically illustrating your fantasies of piles of dead Russians)

    Israeli citizenship on the basis of proving one’s Jewishness has very very specific and restrictive requirements heavily influenced by the Orthodox Rabbis. I know this because I am Jewish, my family came to England from modern day East Ukraine during the Tsarist Pogroms and eventually married into an Irish family.

    Typical poorly disguised neo-nazi views from you, rabid hatred for all things Russian and Jewish.

    Why don’t you put your money where your big mouth is and go join Asov so you can live out your fantasies of Russian bodies stacked high?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭zv2


    Another aspect to this is how Russia will support Belarus when they run out of disposable cash, let alone rebuild Mariupol etc.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    2 more weeks right? we can only hope

    By that time the Russians will have taken all of Luhansk and be pushing toward Kramatorsk so the sooner the better

    No, I mean new relative to the stock Ukraine has which dates back to the USSR. And even then its only some of their stuff is relatively new, they have plenty of their own from the cold war era.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    is there any other indication from anywhere, that this may be true?

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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