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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 SpudsandGuinness


    Sure let's just stick to the old norm sure it's FF/FG god given right to rule forever very small minded way a thinking the north have spoken with new rule and so will the south it maybe a hard pill to swallow but you'll have too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,154 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    China, South Korea, Taiwan, Norway, Denmark, Germany, even Russia to name but a few.

    The harsh reality Blanch is Ireland as you'll know benifited massively from EU membership and is now a net contributior. Despite this, the 80"s was a mess, most of 90"s and Then Boom and we know what happened next.

    Ireland has in essence become completely dependent on 10 companies and the corporation Tax generated, all perfectly fine but let's not forget, there is no loyalty from these companies. Intel for example could move in a heart beat, un be known to many people they've made many people redundant over the years, they are currently installing massive equipment which in essence wlll replace potentially 1,000"s of staff. I recall Dell pulling out. Of course there's the seperate cosy deals being done to keep them here but yesterday it was reported the Escro account holding billions possibly owed to the state lost a further €350 million last year.

    I'm not going to say every policy was bad, it's how government manages crisis that concerns me and indeed polices that are infact akin to playing Russian Roulette.

    It's abundantly clear we've been lucky with low interest rates and I'd argue government were ot brave enough to invest more in infrastructure when they could have, it's equally abundantly clear how exposed we are over the past few months and its frankly, scary.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    A week or so ago I asked what the minister of housing and local authorities did and never got an answer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    Helen McEntees greatest achievements during her tenure are numerous and plentiful, (no-one has listed a single one though) just look at the list of legislation from her department. Helen's responsible for all that.


    Darragh O'Brien on the other hand......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,154 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Would not be surprised if this is done on purpose so that FFG can say look at the bad job SF are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So who is in charge then ? Is the current minister in charge of the space program then ?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Intel are currently spending billions upgrading their fab facilities here to the latest technologies. They aren't doing that if they plan on moving in the next few years.


    Dell closed a warehouse here which did result in a lot of job losses unfortunately but they are still one of the largest employers in the state.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    China, South Korea, Taiwan, Norway, Denmark, Germany, even Russia to name but a few.

    LOL, China, where you have no human rights and people are 're-educated' in camps

    ROFL, Russia..... just ROFL!!

    South Korea and Taiwan were dictatorships 50 years ago as well, by way and yet, we beat them both in the UN HDI metric.....


    Denmark, Germany and Norway were already rich countries 50 years ago... and we beat two of the three in the HDI metric...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    FG made FF electable again

    This continues to make zero sense. FF somehow made themselves electable again and voters for whatever reason floated back to them. You may as well blame SF for FF being "electable" again by not being a more effective oppostion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 SpudsandGuinness


    They won't make that mistake again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,154 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    All very true but regardless, Intel are investing heavily I'm Automation also , which was my main point . Dell was more than a warehouse as you'll also know and enormous amounts of people lost jobs , including friends who worked in their Bray centre.

    I don't deny the importance of these employers but an economy that is essentially dependent on such a small of companies is I believe very risky and I still maintain, that regardless of what these companies invest in plants , they'd pull out in a heart beat .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,154 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Of course Marko I knew you'd jump on Russia and China mention but a very simple question was asked and answered, just to name a few . This was not a question about human rights records and I do hope your not going to go off topic again 🙄

    The UAE as we now know it to be didn't even exist until 1971 and as for those countries that were rich 50 years ago , resources rich perhaps but not economically prosperous.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Nobody was touching FF. They were down to grass roots support level. Kenny's FG brought them to the table and gave them a reason to be listened to and allowed them fix the roads as it were. They would have come back but FG certainly sped up the process. And here they are the party that 'had us eating out of bins' 'like putting John Delaney in charge', all forgotten and forgiven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,154 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Had to look up section 44 and my god it makes the response even more farcical

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They were "brought to the table" after winning 24.4% of the vote and 44 seats. They were recognised in the 2016 election as the opposition party that deserved the most votes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Mr Kenny said: “The agreement with Fianna Fáil is very clear - three budgets and supply and confidence votes.”

    I'm speaking on FG giving them an unofficial junior partner role after initially getting in on telling us how bad FF were and how different FG would be. Codswallop of course.

    So we can expect SF to be brought to the table because they are the opposition? Can we ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    FG could have refused to deal with them as they have with other parties with a similar mandate.

    The fact is FG rehabilitated FF.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    Allow me to clarify. For a century, they've [FF and FG] swapped being the leading party in government, with all the other party's being minor players.

    In the latter years of the 2000's FF (with the help of others) were at the top, when the economy tanked, the troika had to be called in to try and rescue the country from the financial mess it found itself in. FG feigned outrage and disgust at their one time civil war nemesis, telling us all about their ineptitude, corruption and financial incompetence.

    FG got voted in on the back of that, (mainly because FG weren't FF though)

    A few short years later, FG, through their own ineptitude, cronyism and let's face it, utter arrogance, threw away the next election that was there's to win, relying on FF (who the traditional FF/FG vote swappers flocked back to) to prop them up.

    In 2020, FF and SF won more seats than FG did, with SF seemingly stealing votes from both the traditional FG/FF voters, because they now seen there was little to no difference between the pair.

    Both, rotten to the core.

    So I stand by my comment. FG made FF electable again, and both party's, through their aforementioned corruption, ineptitude and arrogance have contributed to the rise of SF.

    The facts. (as I see them). Feel free to disagree, but I feel I've evidence (polling results) to bolster my thoughts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    FG brought FF back to government after the confidence and supply period, at the end of the day. And that's what's going to kill FG next time 'round.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They may have brought them back to government, but the electorate decided they were electable before that. After FG "made them electable" they lost both first preference share and seats in the following election. It is an utterly nonsensical argument.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    A few short years later, FG, through their own ineptitude, cronyism and let's face it, utter arrogance, threw away the next election that was there's to win, relying on FF (who the traditional FF/FG vote swappers flocked back to) to prop them up.

    Yes, FG performed somewhat poorly with their massive mandate after the 2011 election. But the electorate decided that the opposition party that should benefit from that was FF rather than any other opposition party. FG's performance may have opened the door, but there is no reason FF were the ones who had to go through it - they simply outperformed the other opposition parties such as SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Wasn't it more a case of the return of the power swap. FF and FG were all that many generations had known about and they didn't even really ever bother to look elsewhere, but SF were definitely gaining ground. That election, they just hadn't gained enough ground.

    But thanks to FG's blatant croyism and arrogance etc. they helped bolster SF too..

    Hilariously FG started last decade telling us all how bad and incompetent FF were, and by the end of the decade they couldn't help themselves (still now) bringing up SF's past at every chance they had to speak, forgetting somehow that everybody is aware of it. They closed out the decade by pairing up with the 'bad and incompetent' and losing thousands of votes to SF. How can FG not see that?

    Historically they have been the party to come in when many FF voters have got fed up / need or want a change. I don't think they have ever really been a voice for the people, or why they thought that they would be able to influence votes. Who knows, all of FG's talks about FF being the disappearing party, could be another example of them getting the Irish voters wrong. I feel FG will be the party to dwindle away, the arrogance is far to much for most to accept, and the new power swap could be FF SF. I may be incorrect, but one thing that is abundantly clear, FG don't have a clue which way it will go either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This is what happens when you let FF and FG completely destroy the housing market.

    Health staff shortage due to house prices - HSE manager (rte.ie)

    Health staff shortages due to soaring property costs - HSE manager

    She told the Sub-Committee on Mental Health that services right across the capital are suffering staff shortages because of soaring property costs.

    One in four nursing graduates "don't take up a job" in nursing in Ireland, Ms O'Kelly said.

    "We're really at a disadvantage geographically" as a result of house prices and accommodation shortages in the capital. she said.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,813 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Go look at the list of legislation from O'Brien's department. Legislation changes the country more than anything else. Pretty much Civics 1.01.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,813 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Eh, the division of power between local government and central government. Again, pretty much basic stuff for understanding how government works.

    I explained this to posters a couple of years ago that the real failure when it came to housing were in the local authorities who had the bulk of the responsibility. In particular, the Dublin local authorities during the 2013-2019 period were a complete failure.



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